Graz-Buyra Semi Auto Pistol

steelbuster · May 10, 2002, 06:18 PM

A friend recently asked what I knew about a "Graz-Buyra" Large caliber semi auto Pistol he had seen for sale. My answer was short and sweet...NOTHING... Have you ever heard of this gun? I believe the spelling my be Graz- Burya.. at least I got a hit on that spelling when I put it into Google... but the site was no help although it did refer to other weapons.
Thanks , Pete

James K · May 11, 2002, 10:31 PM

New one on me. As you say, Google turned up two references, one is apparently a Brazilian review of an Indian "shoot-em-up" ("Wesley Scot"?) and the other is a Canadian French sci-fi "future world history".

This has me intrigued enough to keep trying some other combinations.

Ask your firend where he saw or heard the term.

Jim

C.R.Sam · May 11, 2002, 11:52 PM

There is an armory in Graz Austria.

Diggin still.

You might give these folks a buzz. http://www.auspistol.com.au/

Sam

James K · May 12, 2002, 10:31 PM

As C.R.Sam says, there is a city of Graz in Austria that has been an arms making area for centuries.

A search on "Burya" turns up a scientist of that name from the State Agrarian University, Dniepropetrovsk, Ukraine, who delivered a paper in Poland on "The Influence of Ultradispersed Ceramics by Tribotechnical Characteristics of Composites".

Also a Ukranian dance troop and a Russian production of Shakespeare's Tempest ("Burya" means "Tempest" or "Storm" in Russian). And several Ukranian-Americans by that name.

Ain't the worldwide web wonderful?

But nothing on Graz-Burya except that silly game scenario.

Jim

C.R.Sam · May 13, 2002, 01:56 AM

Jim, we've been trampin the same woods on this one.

The arms museum at Graz is neat but not usefull for this search.

Tis indeed a challange.

Sam

SA Scott · May 13, 2002, 10:29 AM

I can't recall the title, but it was referenced in an 80's vintage spy novel as a Soviet secret police sidearm. Russian-descended Brit is recruited for a mission in the Soviet Union. Described as a large frame, large caliber (9x21/23?) pistol. It struck me as odd at the time, because I'd never encountered it anywhere else in all the trashy military/adventure/spy fiction I was reading in lieu of doing my homework.

SA Scott

SDC · May 13, 2002, 11:37 AM

When I went to IWA in Germany this year, I saw a couple of things at the Baikal booth that MIGHT be what you're looking for; one is a compact polymer-frame DA semi-auto they called the "Baghiira" ("Burya"?), with striker firing mechanism and 15-round mag. They also call this one the "MP-444". They make a larger steel-frame version with an exposed hammer caled the "Grach" or MP-443. They've got these on their website at
http://www.baikalinc.ru/eng/prod/hguns/ . Hope this helps.

biencounters · September 19, 2005, 01:45 AM

I too read about this weapon - it was refrensed by Robert Ludlum - not sure of the novel - however he completely described it as the favored weapon of the KGB

jfcmckee · October 5, 2005, 04:01 PM

I just finished Ludlum's "The Matarese Circle" wherein the Graz-burya is KGB agent Vasili Talenikov's sidearm of choice. Don't have a clue what one looks like. Anyone have a link to a site with a picture or more details?

SIGSHR · October 5, 2005, 05:04 PM

Sounds like a made up name. If it's in a novel I wouldn't take it as something authoritative.

max popenker · October 6, 2005, 05:21 AM

It is a completely made-up name; Graz is Dirt in russian, and Burya is Thunderstorm.
The closest matches i can think of are:
* Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-18 pistol http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg111-e.htm
* Yarygin PYa a.k.a. "Grach" (rook) http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg50-e.htm
or
* SPS / Gyurza / Vector http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg25-e.htm

fal308 · October 6, 2005, 08:54 AM

Could he have meant Gyurza? This pistol seems to meet the qualifications. Originally found in Charlie Cutshaw's book The New World of Russian Small Arms & Ammo. He has a two-page writeup on it.
Wnet over to world.guns and found their writeup also http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg25-e.htm

May 10, 2002, 06:18 PM	#1
steelbuster Member Join Date: December 1, 2000 Location: Indiana Posts: 66	Graz-Buyra Semi Auto Pistol A friend recently asked what I knew about a "Graz-Buyra" Large caliber semi auto Pistol he had seen for sale. My answer was short and sweet...NOTHING... Have you ever heard of this gun? I believe the spelling my be Graz- Burya.. at least I got a hit on that spelling when I put it into Google... but the site was no help although it did refer to other weapons. Thanks , Pete __________________ Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please..

May 11, 2002, 11:52 PM	#3
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	There is an armory in Graz Austria. Diggin still. You might give these folks a buzz. http://www.auspistol.com.au/ Sam Last edited by C.R.Sam; May 12, 2002 at 12:14 AM.

May 13, 2002, 11:37 AM	#7
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	When I went to IWA in Germany this year, I saw a couple of things at the Baikal booth that MIGHT be what you're looking for; one is a compact polymer-frame DA semi-auto they called the "Baghiira" ("Burya"?), with striker firing mechanism and 15-round mag. They also call this one the "MP-444". They make a larger steel-frame version with an exposed hammer caled the "Grach" or MP-443. They've got these on their website at http://www.baikalinc.ru/eng/prod/hguns/ . Hope this helps. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

September 19, 2005, 01:45 AM	#8
biencounters Junior Member Join Date: September 19, 2005 Posts: 1	Re: Graz Burya handgun I too read about this weapon - it was refrensed by Robert Ludlum - not sure of the novel - however he completely described it as the favored weapon of the KGB

October 5, 2005, 04:01 PM	#9
jfcmckee Junior Member Join Date: October 5, 2005 Posts: 1	Graz-Burya Pistol I just finished Ludlum's "The Matarese Circle" wherein the Graz-burya is KGB agent Vasili Talenikov's sidearm of choice. Don't have a clue what one looks like. Anyone have a link to a site with a picture or more details?

May 11, 2002, 10:31 PM	#2
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	New one on me. As you say, Google turned up two references, one is apparently a Brazilian review of an Indian "shoot-em-up" ("Wesley Scot"?) and the other is a Canadian French sci-fi "future world history". This has me intrigued enough to keep trying some other combinations. Ask your firend where he saw or heard the term. Jim

May 12, 2002, 10:31 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	As C.R.Sam says, there is a city of Graz in Austria that has been an arms making area for centuries. A search on "Burya" turns up a scientist of that name from the State Agrarian University, Dniepropetrovsk, Ukraine, who delivered a paper in Poland on "The Influence of Ultradispersed Ceramics by Tribotechnical Characteristics of Composites". Also a Ukranian dance troop and a Russian production of Shakespeare's Tempest ("Burya" means "Tempest" or "Storm" in Russian). And several Ukranian-Americans by that name. Ain't the worldwide web wonderful? But nothing on Graz-Burya except that silly game scenario. Jim

May 13, 2002, 01:56 AM	#5
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Jim, we've been trampin the same woods on this one. The arms museum at Graz is neat but not usefull for this search. Tis indeed a challange. Sam

May 13, 2002, 10:29 AM	#6
SA Scott Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2000 Location: DFW, Texas, USA Posts: 322	I can't recall the title, but it was referenced in an 80's vintage spy novel as a Soviet secret police sidearm. Russian-descended Brit is recruited for a mission in the Soviet Union. Described as a large frame, large caliber (9x21/23?) pistol. It struck me as odd at the time, because I'd never encountered it anywhere else in all the trashy military/adventure/spy fiction I was reading in lieu of doing my homework. SA Scott

October 5, 2005, 05:04 PM	#10
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	Sounds like a made up name. If it's in a novel I wouldn't take it as something authoritative.

October 6, 2005, 05:21 AM	#11
max popenker Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2002 Posts: 130	It is a completely made-up name; Graz is Dirt in russian, and Burya is Thunderstorm. The closest matches i can think of are: * Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-18 pistol http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg111-e.htm * Yarygin PYa a.k.a. "Grach" (rook) http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg50-e.htm or * SPS / Gyurza / Vector http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg25-e.htm __________________ Signed: Maxim Popenker Modern Firearms website

October 6, 2005, 08:54 AM	#12
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	Could he have meant Gyurza? This pistol seems to meet the qualifications. Originally found in Charlie Cutshaw's book The New World of Russian Small Arms & Ammo. He has a two-page writeup on it. Wnet over to world.guns and found their writeup also http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg25-e.htm