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March 5, 2015, 12:27 PM | #1 |
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Your opinion of this - saying to NOT call 911
Here's a guy, a private investigator, with some pretty hard nosed advice. I've always been taught that the VERY first thing you should do in a self defense shooting is call 911. He advises leaving the scene immediately, calling your lawyer and letting HIM call 911. A lot of what he's saying is true, however, about how you can easily hang yourself by talking to the 911 operator or the police. Still, the idea of fleeing from the scene makes me nervous. It would be interesting to hear some opinions.
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March 5, 2015, 12:39 PM | #2 |
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I dont think leaving the scene of the self defense shooting is the right thing. Thats pretty much fleeing the scene of a crime ( nothing id want to do if im in the right ). In front of a judge it would look worse that you fled the scene. I always read and heard to unload your gun and lay it on the ground and call the cops , when they get there have your hands in the air and explain what happened.
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March 5, 2015, 12:51 PM | #3 |
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Two or maybe three correct statements, a couple that are very misleading, and many that are just plain wrong.
All in all, the worst advice I have ever heard--bar none. |
March 5, 2015, 01:37 PM | #4 |
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yeah hes not a lawyer... So. believe what you will. I can make a video just as easily and claim to be a self defense expert with seven years of tactical black ops experience. If you need legal advice i would recommend getting it from someone who is actually certified to give legal advice.
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March 5, 2015, 01:41 PM | #5 |
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I didn't watch the video since it sounded like nonsense. How exactly would you hang yourself by calling 911, the police etc...
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March 5, 2015, 02:03 PM | #6 |
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I would think that in most states, leaving the scene would be a crime unless it was necessary for your safety. It's illegal to leave the scene of a traffic accident in Ohio if there are injuries.
I'm thinking of myself on a jury. 1. Guy shoots somebody, calls 911, claims self defense. 2. Guy shoots someone, goes home, calls his lawyer, and his lawyer reposrts the shooting. AS a juror, which would look more favorable to you? |
March 5, 2015, 02:08 PM | #7 |
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Just one more reason to disregard most of what you see on Youtube in particular, and the internet in general
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March 5, 2015, 02:50 PM | #8 |
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....but....but... I read it on the Internet!! It MUST be true!!!!!
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March 5, 2015, 03:06 PM | #9 |
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I'd rather take advice from a competent lawyer experienced in successfully defending self-defenders against criminal charges, than a PI with arguably zero experience on that end of things.
I know of no such attorney, who would agree with the idea of not calling 911.
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March 5, 2015, 03:07 PM | #10 |
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I did not bother ti watch the video. Based on 27 years L/E, leaving is the worst thing you can do. If you have nothing to hide why flee? Call 911 first, then lawyer up, if you feel the need.
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March 5, 2015, 03:26 PM | #11 |
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2nd to what old bear said.
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March 5, 2015, 03:34 PM | #12 |
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Gotta love the Internet. It's made a lot people a little smarter and a lot of smart people dumb.
Common sense will tell ya that unless your life is in immediate danger (i.e. a mob is about to tear your arms and legs off 'cause you shot their bud who was only trying to sell you some candy for the local Family Outreach program), you need to call 911 yourself and not leave the scene.
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March 5, 2015, 04:00 PM | #14 |
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The only people who could successfully leave the scene and have a lawyer call would be the elite class (read certain politicians and wealthy people), of which I am not a part. I can't see any possible benefit in doing that if you are justified in your actions, which will need to be articulated to the judge because arrest and hearing will certainly follow. Like someone else said, stay there and if you get accused, then lawyer up
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March 5, 2015, 04:53 PM | #15 |
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Take a look at what this, I think the advice is well founded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCZXZMYyRl4
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March 5, 2015, 05:56 PM | #16 |
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I can see plenty of legitimate reasons to retreat from the scene after a self-defense shooting. It may not be safe to remain in the immediate vicinity because your attacker might not be completely out of the fight, he might have friends or you might simply have the wrong color skin. That said, in such circumstances I would call 911 immediately, inform them of the situation and make arrangements to meet with officers in a safer location.
Calling your lawyer and having them call 911 seems weird, though. As a juror I would think that particular course of action sounds a bit cold and calculating. |
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March 5, 2015, 06:08 PM | #18 |
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I wouldn't waste time calling your lawyer first. Whoever calls 911 first has the advantage of being seen as the victim. Plus it's to your credit that in calling 911, it can be seen that you thought you were doing the right thing or at least not doing anything wrong. Someone who gets shot while robbing a 7/11 probably isn't going to call 911 if he is able to escape. A victim would though.
All this of course is assuming that the guy you shot is still alive. Even if he wasn't though, I would still call 911 immediately.
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March 5, 2015, 06:17 PM | #19 |
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I have a lawyer on retainer for such a situation. His advise:
CALL 911 AS SOON AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. Tell them there has been a shooting, give location. Request police & EMS. DO NOT identify yourself to the 911 operator. CALL ME (my lawyer). Tell me what has happened & give location. DO NOT FLEE THE SCENE UNLESS YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER. When police arrive, advise them that you made the 911 call but you will not make any statement until you have legal representation present. |
March 5, 2015, 06:30 PM | #20 |
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Leaving the scene always carries some connotation of guilt unless the circumstances make it clear that it was obviously dangerous to remain in place. If there's still danger at the scene and you can articulate (and/or demonstrate) that danger to the authorites then leaving the scene is reasonable. If the danger is clearly contained and the good guys are obviously in control then leaving is a bad idea.
Calling 911 as soon as possible is a good idea for more than one reason. 1. You may need help. You may find that you have been injured when the adrenaline starts to wear off. The extreme stress may trigger a heart attack or other serious health problem. The attacker may not be neutralized and may resume the attack. 2. Delaying the 911 call longer than necessary can create the appearance of guilt. It can make it look like you were trying to get your story straight before calling or that you only called after thinking about it and realizing that it might help you look less guilty. After all the good guy wants the help of the authorities as soon as possible. It's the bad guy who puts off calling the authorities as long as possible. 3. If there's any possibility of the other party calling 911, there can be an advantage in being the first to call. I've heard more than one LEO mention that the first person to call is often assumed to be the injured party.
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I won't comment on specifics, but I will say that if I were ever in contact with the police in a situation where I might be accused or arrested, I wouldn't want Mr. Huebl anywhere in the same state. If I adopted his kind of smug, arrogant, aggressive, nasty attitude, I would have even good cops itching to beat the heck out of me, then toss me in jail and lose the key.
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March 5, 2015, 07:59 PM | #22 |
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+1 Frank.
The AZ CCW class I took was taught by a firearms attorney. His teaching was based on his experience in defending scores of self defense shootings. Franks advice is spot on.
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March 5, 2015, 08:45 PM | #24 |
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Isn't leaving the scene a viablre option..
if the scene is not quiet or getting more dangerous??
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And you will still need to call the police as soon as possible and be able to explain to everyone's satisfaction why you decided it was dangerous to hang around. And if an injured person needs medial attention, you better call sooner rather than later.
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