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April 28, 2009, 08:38 PM | #1 |
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sawed-off Wingmaster for HD
I own a 12g Remington Wingmaster 2 3/4 in. only. It has a 28" barrel. First and foremost I want to cut the barrel down to a suitable HD firearm, but want it still to be useful for hunting birds. Would a good inbetween be 22" or 24"? If HD was your first priority? Hunting? Let me know..
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April 28, 2009, 10:09 PM | #4 |
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I agree with the notion of buying another barrel for HD. You may just end up regretting the modification to your current barrel.
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April 28, 2009, 10:27 PM | #5 |
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By all means, keep the 28-inch barrel! The gun isn't called a "Wingmaster" for nothing.
Does it have a vent rib and screw-in chokes? |
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April 28, 2009, 11:22 PM | #7 |
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I am curious...What is the "right" length for home defense? I have a 28" barreled Berreta 390, to me is seems a good length. I mean, I am NO WAY a Tackycool kinda guy. I just fail to see how a 4 inch shorter barrel will be better. Like in WHAT situation?
Is a 22" inch barrel that much better than a 24" barrel? I have been a Skeet shooter for probably 40 years now. At one time a 26" barrel was considerd the right length, nowadays, 28, 30 and 32 " barrels are considered better. They swing better, are more accurate and actually easy to handle. Of course, I wouldn't want a 32" berrel for HD, but I don't see a lot of differece in handling from 24" to 28" barrels. |
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What works best when shooting skeet or hunting may not necessarily be ideal when it comes to close quarters HD. If you think about it, it does make sense. Also, shot spread may be an issue here as well, but Im not sure to what degree. But, comparing an 18"-20" barrel to a 24"-28" barrel, Im sure there would be some differences. But again, as I see it, its mainly about effective maneuvering. The longer barrels used for hunting simply arent ideal for close quarter situations. After all, how well a longer barrel "swings" when shooting at skeet or game has no significance when one is having to weild a shotgun down a narrow hall or around tight corners, for instance. In summation, to directly answer you question, I personally believe that the "proper" (ie., ideal) barrel length for HD would be 20" or less.
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April 28, 2009, 11:46 PM | #9 |
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I would think, someone grabing the end of my shotgun barrel would result in my stationary triger finger tripping the trigger as the gun was pulled away from me in a grab thus eliminating the problem on my end and a shot up bad guy at the other end.
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April 29, 2009, 12:05 AM | #10 | |
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Of course, you could use the "low ready" technique or something of that nature, but still...you just never know. There are just too many possibilities and extenuating circumstances regarding HD encounters/disarm attempts for me to even begin addressing them all. Besides, regardless of barrel length, the bane of using shotguns for HD is their size. Compared to handguns, they just require far more "smart" handling. Regardless, IMHO, shorter barrels=greater maneuvering capability/control when indoors...period. A "hunting" barrel allows for up to an extra 6" to 10" of barrel length vs. the typical "HD" type barrel. To me, this is just too much unnecessary "baggage."
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Ruger4570, I read with interest your question about optimum HD barrel length and inSight-NEO's well reasoned explanation. His conclusion, "I personally believe that the 'proper' (ie., ideal) barrel length for HD would be 20" or less," seems to be the present consensus.
Since we've both been shooting skeet for around 40-years, Ruger4570, I'm guessing that we're of a same generation. I'm curious, when you read explanations like inSight-NEO's, do you see them as de facto arguments favoring handguns for HD? |
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Perhaps if we weren't so politically correct, and still called them riot guns (or trench brooms) for their intended application, we wouldn't stir-up so many tempests in tea pots about HD shotguns. Thanks for you input, my learned friend.
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April 29, 2009, 01:47 PM | #14 |
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Room broom!!!!! imo perfect ROOM BROOM consists of
18.5" barrel, bead sight, 6-8 shot capacity, pump action Shoot and shoot often. |
April 29, 2009, 02:23 PM | #15 |
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Trade it
If you must have a HD barrel and are tight on cash, trade it, if it is an older wingmaster barrel you could probably trade staight up a local shop or gun show. Just don't saw it off with a hacksaw in the garage.
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But, in regards to your posted question (to another member), I personally am still internally debating on which weapon I would grab first during a potential HD encounter...the shotgun or the .45 ACP. However, I am somewhat beginning to adopt the belief that the shotgun, as powerful and intimidating as it is, just might be best used for the "come and get me"/barricade/back-up type situation(s), while the handgun would be best for the "search and destroy"/quick grab/mobility sensitive type situations due to the fact that handguns are simply lighter, "faster," and more "maneuverable" vs. the heavy and somewhat cumbersome shotgun (yes, even those with shorter HD barrels). Of course, there are many other things to consider which may have an affect on which weapon would be most appropriate, such as dwelling type (house, apartment, etc.), the layout, size and location of such a dwelling, time of day (situations/mindset can vary depending on such a factor), shooting ability (are you better with handguns or shotguns?), etc., etc. Anyway, enough about this. To the individual who started this thread, as I mentioned before, cutting your Wingmasters barrel down to "HD" length would be regrettable. Just go out and buy a nice 18" to 20" barrel for HD and enjoy the fact that you now have versatility and most importantly, no regrets.
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+1 on what Scattergun Bob said - and he has experience to back it up.
It would be a sin to cut that barrel down. |
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the next thing he did was put tac rails and a fore grip on and then bought an ati folding stock for it! I almost crapped myself! by saving a couple bucks on his supposed HD shotgun he made the most mismatched gun i have ever seen and spent a ton on accesories, on the plus side It will make those ducks think twice before pulling a B&E
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May 1, 2009, 12:21 PM | #20 |
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"Spend 80-100 bucks on an extra barrel for HD and save your 28" for hunting"
Everything I see is $160 and up! I have seen them as much as $360 for a 20" barrel for a Wingmaster. |
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Often enough, factory CYL bore barrels have just a few points of choke in them, to help even out patterns. And for the past several years, Remington's factory 18- 20" barrels have been mostly choked ImpCyl. Those usually work very well for buckshot or rifled slugs.
Chopping off a longer barrel is going to leave you with absolutely no choke, unless you get it fitted for choke tubes (another $70 or more) or try 'jug' choking it. I always recommend that people who want shorter barrels for HD get a factory short barrel rather than cutting down a long barrel. Shop around- I still see deals on Remington 870 barrels, I bought a 20" CYL bore barrel (with a 3-shot Remington factory magazine extension included) recently for $125, delivered. It showed up in the Buy/Sell/Trade section of another board. lpl |
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May 1, 2009, 08:31 PM | #23 |
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havlin sales often has used mossberg brand remington 870 barrels which i just put on my gun...also SOMe remington brand barrels for 80-100...130 for a brand new mossberg 870 barrel from midway
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May 1, 2009, 10:53 PM | #24 |
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Cylinder bores don't make very good all around bird guns. You'd need to have a choke system of some sort installed.
You've been given excellent advice. Just get an 18" Cyl or IC bbl. |
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