1851 Navy

Hawg · September 3, 2011, 11:20 AM

I ordered a 51 from Cabela's. Hope it has the 800 lb. gorilla wedge.

Doc Hoy · September 3, 2011, 01:28 PM

Which one? Brass or steel? Caliber?

zullo74 · September 3, 2011, 01:51 PM

Hawg,

I think you will be disappointed then. Recent Pietta revolvers have been properly fitted.

ZVP · September 3, 2011, 02:37 PM

Yea my Colt Police dissambles with a push of a fingernail! Sure is better than hammering on it with a punch!
I have a '51 .36 cal, Uberti London which is a VERY nice revolver! The action right out of the Box felt tuned!
I really like the balance of the '51 because they don't feel as barrel-heavy as the '62 does.
The power generated by the .36 is sometimes impressive! I have heard about good penetration on small game!
It was also famous for penetrating men too!

ZVP

sltm1 · September 3, 2011, 03:14 PM

ZVP, Elmer Keith did a study on the 36 cal ball round fired form a C&B pistol and concluded it performed better than ballistic equations said it would as a man stopper. And no one can figure out why?!

Hawg · September 3, 2011, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Which one? Brass or steel? Caliber?

Ummm, it's a 51 Navy Doc. Didn't I make myself clear?

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I think you will be disappointed then. Recent Pietta revolvers have been properly fitted.

Well my last 1860 was most excellent too but I was kinda hoping

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zullo74 · September 3, 2011, 04:25 PM

Well Hawg,
If you get a good one you can try to trade it off to a THR member who MAYBE got a lemon. Then you will both be happy!

Hawg · September 3, 2011, 05:08 PM

Don't want a lemon just a challenge.

zullo74 · September 3, 2011, 06:21 PM

A lemon would be a challenge.

Hawg · September 3, 2011, 06:31 PM

I'll pass on the full blown lemon.

Hardy · September 3, 2011, 07:41 PM

What did you pay for that 51? Never mind. I have a 2nd gen colt w/colt in a 2nd gen wood display box and its cardboard box I want to sell. I fired 6 rounds out of it a year ago. ! assume it was not fired before. I did not break it down by screws but only swabbed out barrel and chambers.

I will sell it at a cheap-cheap

contact [email protected]

WBH

Hawg · September 3, 2011, 08:07 PM

It was 189.00 plus shipping minus a 20 dollar rebate so 186.00 shipped.

Hardy · September 3, 2011, 08:30 PM

Hawg, you want that 2nd gen colt? I want you to have it

for putting up with me so long

Hawg · September 3, 2011, 09:48 PM

Sent ya a PM Hardy. You exasperate me sometimes but you're a pretty cool dude nonetheless.

Fingers McGee · September 3, 2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawg

Ummm, it's a 51 Navy Doc. Didn't I make myself clear?

Bill Akins · September 4, 2011, 12:39 AM

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But Hawg, Doc's question was a two part question that wasn't really answered by you before he asked it. I'll explain why.

Quote:

Doc Hoy wrote:
Which one? Brass or steel? Caliber?

We know that original 1851 Navys were only made in .36 caliber. But....the Italians have taken a wide artistic/historical license with labeling .44 calibers as 1851 Navys too. So Doc's question was valid in asking what caliber.

Also we know that the only brass, red brass, or bronze frame 1851 Navy copies were made chiefly by the Confederacy. But once again, the Italians today make 1851's both in .36, .44 and in brass and steel and call them "Navy's". With a whole lot of them being brass. So Doc's question asking if it was brass or steel was valid too.

Ya were kind of rude to Doc you ole reprobate

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Doc Hoy · September 4, 2011, 01:07 AM

.....Cabela's and a lot of others sell stuff they call "1851 Navy" that has a lot of different descriptions that have nothing to do with Colt, or 1851, or the Navy, or the Navy caliber.

I don't like it any more than anyone else, but the name "1851 Navy" does not mean what it once did.

The name has been misused enough that when anyone refers to anything as an "1851 Navy" it is worthwhile confirming what they mean. Not in 19th century parlance but in today's.

I should have been more clear when I asked the question.

Hawg · September 4, 2011, 02:51 AM

Ok, I thought Doc knew me well enough to know if it had been a brass frame .36 Navy I'd have said it was a Schneider and Glassic. Or if it had been a round barrel .36 navy I'd have said it was a Griswold & Gunnison. Or if it had been a .44 Navy of any breed I wouldn't have bought it. It's a steel frame .36

mykeal · September 4, 2011, 06:13 AM

I thought Hawg's response was right on the money, done succinctly and with humor. And Doc's sense of humor in replying once again confirmed he's a gentleman. Well done.

zullo74 · September 4, 2011, 06:45 AM

Would it be more correct to say a '51 Navy STYLE' ? and then state the caliber. As somewhat of a purist, I could live with that.

madcratebuilder · September 4, 2011, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colt Haggen

Don't want a lemon just a challenge

.

What, did you buy a new sledge hammer?

Doc Hoy · September 4, 2011, 07:28 AM

...."pattern". An 1851 Navy pattern can have a brass frame or can be .44 in caliber but it has an octagon barrel all the way to the muzzle. I think this is the way the marketers see it.

If it has a barrel that starts as an 1851 but is turned on the muzzle end, I call it a dragoon barrel. G&G, L&R, or the various Colts with that style barrel.

Hawg is right.... I am very well aware that he is at, or at least near the top of the historians in the group and hence, to him an 1851 Navy is one and only one thing.

MJN77 · September 4, 2011, 08:56 AM

Anyone that has been on this forum for even a little while, should know that Hawg goes for the "authentic" copies. None of the ".44cal, brass frame navy" stuff. Hope you're happy with the navy Hawg. I have two Uberti 51s and a 61, and I think they are the best balanced revolvers I own.

Hawg · September 4, 2011, 10:04 AM

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What, did you buy a new sledge hammer?

Nah but I got a few and a 6 inch Wilton vice that haven't been used in a long time.

Fingers McGee · September 4, 2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc Hoy

Well, I use the word...."pattern". An 1851 Navy pattern can have a brass frame or can be .44 in caliber but it has an octagon barrel all the way to the muzzle. I think this is the way the marketers see it.

If it has a barrel that starts as an 1851 but is turned on the muzzle end, I call it a dragoon barrel. G&G, L&R, or the various Colts with that style barrel.

Hawg is right.... I am very well aware that he is at, or at least near the top of the historians in the group and hence, to him an 1851 Navy is one and only one thing.

+1 Doc. For a non-authentic reproduction of a Colt, I usually refer to them as Colt style. I like your "pattern" description better. I've also taken to calling the .44 Cal revolvers with octagonal barrels "1851 Armies" - that either you or MCB coined IINM - or was it Dr. Davis? This CRS, like growing older, aint for sissies.

Be sure to let us know how your new Navy is Hawg.

September 3, 2011, 11:20 AM	#1
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	1851 Navy I ordered a 51 from Cabela's. Hope it has the 800 lb. gorilla wedge.

September 3, 2011, 01:28 PM	#2
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Hawg, Which one? Brass or steel? Caliber? __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

September 4, 2011, 01:07 AM	#17
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	I guess we all know that..... .....Cabela's and a lot of others sell stuff they call "1851 Navy" that has a lot of different descriptions that have nothing to do with Colt, or 1851, or the Navy, or the Navy caliber. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but the name "1851 Navy" does not mean what it once did. The name has been misused enough that when anyone refers to anything as an "1851 Navy" it is worthwhile confirming what they mean. Not in 19th century parlance but in today's. I should have been more clear when I asked the question. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

September 4, 2011, 07:28 AM	#22
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Well I use the word... ...."pattern". An 1851 Navy pattern can have a brass frame or can be .44 in caliber but it has an octagon barrel all the way to the muzzle. I think this is the way the marketers see it. If it has a barrel that starts as an 1851 but is turned on the muzzle end, I call it a dragoon barrel. G&G, L&R, or the various Colts with that style barrel. Hawg is right.... I am very well aware that he is at, or at least near the top of the historians in the group and hence, to him an 1851 Navy is one and only one thing. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

September 3, 2011, 01:51 PM	#3
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Hawg, I think you will be disappointed then. Recent Pietta revolvers have been properly fitted.

September 3, 2011, 02:37 PM	#4
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 1,102	Yea my Colt Police dissambles with a push of a fingernail! Sure is better than hammering on it with a punch! I have a '51 .36 cal, Uberti London which is a VERY nice revolver! The action right out of the Box felt tuned! I really like the balance of the '51 because they don't feel as barrel-heavy as the '62 does. The power generated by the .36 is sometimes impressive! I have heard about good penetration on small game! It was also famous for penetrating men too! ZVP

September 3, 2011, 03:14 PM	#5
sltm1 Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 353	ZVP, Elmer Keith did a study on the 36 cal ball round fired form a C&B pistol and concluded it performed better than ballistic equations said it would as a man stopper. And no one can figure out why?!

September 3, 2011, 04:25 PM	#7
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Well Hawg, If you get a good one you can try to trade it off to a THR member who MAYBE got a lemon. Then you will both be happy!

September 3, 2011, 05:08 PM	#8
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Don't want a lemon just a challenge.

September 3, 2011, 06:21 PM	#9
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	A lemon would be a challenge.

September 3, 2011, 06:31 PM	#10
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	I'll pass on the full blown lemon.

September 3, 2011, 07:41 PM	#11
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 709	What did you pay for that 51? Never mind. I have a 2nd gen colt w/colt in a 2nd gen wood display box and its cardboard box I want to sell. I fired 6 rounds out of it a year ago. ! assume it was not fired before. I did not break it down by screws but only swabbed out barrel and chambers. I will sell it at a cheap-cheap contact [email protected] WBH

September 3, 2011, 08:07 PM	#12
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	It was 189.00 plus shipping minus a 20 dollar rebate so 186.00 shipped.

September 3, 2011, 08:30 PM	#13
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 709	Hawg, you want that 2nd gen colt? I want you to have it for putting up with me so long

September 3, 2011, 09:48 PM	#14
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Sent ya a PM Hardy. You exasperate me sometimes but you're a pretty cool dude nonetheless.

September 4, 2011, 02:51 AM	#18
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Ok, I thought Doc knew me well enough to know if it had been a brass frame .36 Navy I'd have said it was a Schneider and Glassic. Or if it had been a round barrel .36 navy I'd have said it was a Griswold & Gunnison. Or if it had been a .44 Navy of any breed I wouldn't have bought it. It's a steel frame .36

September 4, 2011, 06:13 AM	#19
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	I thought Hawg's response was right on the money, done succinctly and with humor. And Doc's sense of humor in replying once again confirmed he's a gentleman. Well done.

September 4, 2011, 06:45 AM	#20
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Would it be more correct to say a '51 Navy STYLE' ? and then state the caliber. As somewhat of a purist, I could live with that.

September 4, 2011, 08:56 AM	#23
MJN77 Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2009 Location: on a hill in West Virginia Posts: 789	Anyone that has been on this forum for even a little while, should know that Hawg goes for the "authentic" copies. None of the ".44cal, brass frame navy" stuff. Hope you're happy with the navy Hawg. I have two Uberti 51s and a 61, and I think they are the best balanced revolvers I own.