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November 6, 2013, 06:44 PM | #1 | |
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ATF's 41P and you - A Call to Action
First of, for any Moderator/Administrators/Staff here, I'd like to ask that you'd leave this in General Discussion as that will more than likely receive the most traffic on your Forum. I don't mean to be disrespectful to site policies, simply to raise awareness.
I sincerely thank you for the Opportunity. The Reason I'm drafting this thread is to notify any one of you if you haven't already heard of a current proposal put forth by the BATFE. This proposal directly impacts many gun owners and future gun owners. They're specifically targeting a type of Gun Owners in regards to National Firearms Act Items (Title II), such as SBR's, SBS's, MG's, Silencer's, AOW's and DD's. They're targeting you, your families, your businesses and possibly any future gun owner with this measure. They're targeting Legal Entities, if you're not familiar with the NFA Process, it's extensive, but there's a portion of this process that requires Chief of Law Enforcement signature for Individuals. What many individuals have found is that for a genuine number of reasons Legal Entities (Such as trusts/LLCs) have worked well for them and their families, (I know that the idea of having an item that if any of my loved ones other than myself gain access to it constitutes a felony is definitely not in their best interest) to protect them from liability as far as being able to safely have these items in their household, but manage their ownership responsibly by sharing ownership of it with their families/coworkers/colleagues through Trusts and LLCs. This signature used to only be required for an individual. If this measure goes through every single person in a trust or company will be required to get Chief of Law Enforcement signature, fingerprinting and photographing for every, single, item. As recently as 2012 the BATFE was considering removing it (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in...transfers.aspx) but after being targeted by Executive Actions recently proposed it's now being sought out to be expanded to every individual. I've spent a lot of time reflecting on what to say and how to say it. I've spent time with different people in the Industry, calling the NRA-ILA, talking with their Federal Affairs Branch. Calling the American Silencer Association, seeking the best way to go forward. Getting in touch with representatives from companies. Namely Kel Whelan, part owner of Gemtech and I asked him, candidly and bluntly. What should we do? The answer was simple. Comment, that's what the BATFE is soliciting, make your voices heard. Giving money to the NRA, ASA, or whatever advocacy group would be secondary to Commenting. To spending time, getting creative and making an impact. Reading the regulation here, http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2013-0001-0001. I've drafted a 503-word form comment myself to share with you, that's logical and concise. I would suggest some modifications and posting it as your own, otherwise it may be overlooked by the ATF as an already existing comment. Quote:
Not only will well-informed comments carry weight, but so will numbers of comments. History is at your fingertips, and your time is worthwhile spent here! December 9th, 2013 they will close the docket for comments. I challenge everyone here to comment or post that they have commented to encourage each other to press on and keep this issue heard! I've contacted my Sheriff, the county over's Sheriff, All of the State Representatives in my State, Both Senators, and the Governor, and now I'm here for you. I'd suggest you to contact your Local Law Enforcement, your representatives, your senators, your Governor, your families and make an impact! I also plan on contacting manufacturers and expressing to them your concern and advocating their involvement. Do not sit by idle for one more second, when you have the opportunity to have an impact on the course of history. Do not fall silent at this time while history passes you by. If you don't like my comment draft or ideas, draft your own. But Brothers! Be bold and make your voices heard! God Bless, Brandon. |
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November 8, 2013, 09:59 AM | #2 |
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You're talking about BATFE's proposal to require those who set up Trusts, LLC's etc. for NFA purposes to obtain a CLEO sign-off, correct?
I think there's another thread on this and basically we are in a "wait-and-see" holding pattern, until the comment period is over. With regard to BATFE rule-making, they could care less what you, I, or any gun-owner wants. The time to write letters, vote and campaign was 2 years ago. My opinion? The CLEO sign-off is a stupid requirement. The law is just as absurd in permitting folks to set up an LLC or Trust to avoid getting the ridiculous CLEO sign-off. This is a true "loop-hole" that BATFE is trying to close - perhaps a good loophole, but a loophole nonetheless. We all know what BATFE should do - I don't even need to state it here. But, BATFE won't do anything to help any of us; not unless and until we get elected representatives that will lean on BATFE with all of their political might. |
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November 8, 2013, 11:58 AM | #4 | |
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