October 13, 2008, 06:08 PM | #1 |
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.40 Super
What happened to this wildcat? It has incredible ballistics and seems like something that would take off, or at least stay around for a bit longer than it has. Now I can't find brass even if I wanted to play around with it. I don't understand why it failed even though it seems superior to the 400 cor bon and other obscure cartridges not found on your local gun shops ammo shelf.
I also wonder why the 9x23 is not so popular as the 38 super, or 9x25 dillion not as popular as it should be. Then I see those people rave about the .357 sig thinking it solved all those non-existent problems when there were already cartridges out there from the turn of the century that have superior ballistics to it anyways. I want the .40 Super back and I want factory loadings and pistols chambered for it before some goof necks down the 9mm to .22 and calls it sliced bread. |
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It's not ever going to be about what is "better" or "best." It's all about popularity and marketing and it always will be. Much like an election. It's a popularity contest and only the winner gets to prove how right he was for the job.
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You come up with anything you consider a positive about your pet round and it can be countered with a negative. In the end, it's obscure and it will never have a following. There'd be more of a chance of it succeeding if someone renamed the round, got a firearm manufacturer behind it, and got a well-known factory ammo company to produce for it. It doesn't matter how good it is, or how good you think it is. It only matters when the powers that be make it happen. 9x23 not as popular as the .38 Super-- easy. The .38 Super has been around forever and was the go-to cartridge for competitors looking to make major in IPSC with a lighter bullet that gave them less muzzle rise for a faster follow-up shot. Doesn't matter if 9x23 is ballistically superior, the .38 Super has time, popularity and actual factory produced firearms on it's side. .357 Sig -- popular because a couple of major league firearm manufacturers chamber it and the big American ammo makers produce it. Doesn't matter how it compares to any of the other 9mm unknowns. What about the 9mm Win Mag, where's the tears for this one? What about the .45 Win Mag and the 10mm Mag, have you thumbed through the history books on these hot rounds? The .44 Automag, the .460 Rowland?
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October 16, 2008, 02:41 PM | #3 |
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.40 Super didn't "take off," because Triton, the company that supported .40 Super, went out of business. .40 Super, like .400 Cor-Bon, doesn't feed well out of double-stack mags. Will feed o.k. out of single stack mags or the 10-round Klintonista G21 mags.
I still have some virgin .40 Super brass, dies, etc. Might get a wild hair and load up some one day, but I doubt it. 10mm's a much better option...better manufacturer support, easier to reload, etc. |
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besides being friggin' LOUD
The 9x25 Dillon offers insane recoil.
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October 17, 2008, 11:07 AM | #5 |
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so it was a bottle necked cartridge ??? if so, it doesnt follow along similar lines as the 38 super, being a longer straight case... if it was a straight case, how does it differ from a 40 S&W, a 10mm, or the 10mm Mag ???
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October 17, 2008, 11:46 AM | #6 |
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.40 Super is a .45 case that's the same length as a 10mm case, and necked down to 10mm. Has more case capacity and a longer neck than the .400 Cor-bon, which is just a necked-down .45ACP +p case. .40 Super factory load pushed 135gr. bullet @ 1800fps, 971 lbs./ft energy at the muzzle. I used small rifle primers for .40 Super reloading.
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October 17, 2008, 12:56 PM | #7 |
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I love my obscure round and love to see people try it out. Every time I go to a range with it everyone seems to want to light off a few.
I have a 7 1/2" Black Hawk with a super lower in stainless. It is .357 mag, but I have another cylinder for it that has been rechamber in Bain&Davis (357/44) The case is made by necking down a 44 mag to 357 (RCBS makes the die). Interesting cartridge to say the least. |
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October 17, 2008, 07:57 PM | #9 |
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Seems that the original .40 Supers might have been formed from a .45 Win Mag case. I can't remember right now, but there is a problem with tryng to form .40 Supers from a .45 Win Mag case.
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