Identify this Enfield?

tobnpr · December 12, 2014, 07:43 PM

Perusing one of the local Pawn shops today in search of "whatever'...
They had a couple of Enfields. One had been "sporterized"....a shame because it had a really interesting stock.

The other looked to be in G to VG condition. They had the bolt out of it but I did get a pic of each side of the receiver.

Any info., including collectible value range and what else to look for would be appreciated. I need to add an Enfield to the milsurp collection already...

The Rattler · December 12, 2014, 10:39 PM

I am just a little more than a novice, but from the location of the rear sight, it is a Mark 4 Lee Enfield which is a later WW II model. There is a lot of info that can be ascertained from the marking on the metal & perhaps the butt stock. First go to Wikipedia that has a good bit of information itself.

tahunua001 · December 13, 2014, 12:03 AM

actually it would be a number 4, mark 2. post ware production under contract, to whom? I don't know enough to say. tikirocker or wogpotter will be along shortly and will likely know.

tobnpr · December 13, 2014, 07:40 AM

I should have looked for an import stamp...wonder if that E.C.C.S.A on the left side of the receiver. Can't quite make out what's under it.

Tidewater_Kid · December 13, 2014, 10:34 AM

I found this on the import stamp under the model number. It was imported by ECCSA of Pennsauken, New Jersey. It was originally a No. 4 Mk 1. I agree that it looks to have been upgraded to MK 2 standard post war.

TK

tobnpr · December 13, 2014, 12:14 PM

Other than the usual of checking the bore/crown best I can, anything else to look for ?
Assuming it checks out- what would be a "fair" offer for both sides?

Tidewater_Kid · December 13, 2014, 12:36 PM

Assuming the bolt matches, I would say somewhere between $200 and $250. Do you have any pictures of the complete rifle?

TK

**Mike Irwin** · December 13, 2014, 02:04 PM

There's some information on line that says that ECCSA is the importer's stamp of Cross Roads Gun Shop in Pensauken.

wogpotter · December 13, 2014, 06:10 PM

It seems to have been "scrubbed" of the original markings & re engraved.
That makes it hard to ID what it was originally.
The small cross screw just in front of the wrist and gives a positive ID as either one made as a No4 Mk2, or converted during a rebuild from a No4 Mk1 to a No4 Mk1/2 (as the conversion was called.)
The rear sight is a bit of a puzzle. All the ones made as a Mk2 had the screw micrometer, not the slider, so I'm guessing its probably a conversion.
Can you angle a light shallowly along the receiver? That would help pick out the very light details of the original markings.
Check for matching bolt number (hopefully not scrubbed, but if it is be cautious it's probably "Force matched") which is the polite way of saying just shoved in there & not really matching!

shuvelrider · December 13, 2014, 09:49 PM

I just saw a 1949 #4 at Cabela's today on the used rack, they were asking close to 400 on it. Electro penciled on the receiver, if that helps with pricing.

December 12, 2014, 07:43 PM	#1
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	Identify this Enfield? Perusing one of the local Pawn shops today in search of "whatever'... They had a couple of Enfields. One had been "sporterized"....a shame because it had a really interesting stock. The other looked to be in G to VG condition. They had the bolt out of it but I did get a pic of each side of the receiver. Any info., including collectible value range and what else to look for would be appreciated. I need to add an Enfield to the milsurp collection already... __________________ Remington 700/Savage Rebarreling /Action Blueprinting 07 FFL /Mosin-Nagant Custom Shop/Bent Bolts Genuine Cerakote Applicator www.biggorillagunworks.com

December 12, 2014, 10:39 PM	#2
The Rattler Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2013 Posts: 111	Enfield I am just a little more than a novice, but from the location of the rear sight, it is a Mark 4 Lee Enfield which is a later WW II model. There is a lot of info that can be ascertained from the marking on the metal & perhaps the butt stock. First go to Wikipedia that has a good bit of information itself. Last edited by The Rattler; December 12, 2014 at 10:40 PM. Reason: Typo

December 13, 2014, 12:03 AM	#3
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	actually it would be a number 4, mark 2. post ware production under contract, to whom? I don't know enough to say. tikirocker or wogpotter will be along shortly and will likely know. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

December 13, 2014, 12:14 PM	#6
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	Other than the usual of checking the bore/crown best I can, anything else to look for ? Assuming it checks out- what would be a "fair" offer for both sides? __________________ Remington 700/Savage Rebarreling /Action Blueprinting 07 FFL /Mosin-Nagant Custom Shop/Bent Bolts Genuine Cerakote Applicator www.biggorillagunworks.com

December 13, 2014, 02:04 PM	#8
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	There's some information on line that says that ECCSA is the importer's stamp of Cross Roads Gun Shop in Pensauken. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

December 13, 2014, 07:40 AM	#4
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	I should have looked for an import stamp...wonder if that E.C.C.S.A on the left side of the receiver. Can't quite make out what's under it. __________________ Remington 700/Savage Rebarreling /Action Blueprinting 07 FFL /Mosin-Nagant Custom Shop/Bent Bolts Genuine Cerakote Applicator www.biggorillagunworks.com

December 13, 2014, 10:34 AM	#5
Tidewater_Kid Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 925	I found this on the import stamp under the model number. It was imported by ECCSA of Pennsauken, New Jersey. It was originally a No. 4 Mk 1. I agree that it looks to have been upgraded to MK 2 standard post war. TK

December 13, 2014, 12:36 PM	#7
Tidewater_Kid Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 925	Assuming the bolt matches, I would say somewhere between $200 and $250. Do you have any pictures of the complete rifle? TK

December 13, 2014, 06:10 PM	#9
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	It seems to have been "scrubbed" of the original markings & re engraved. That makes it hard to ID what it was originally. The small cross screw just in front of the wrist and gives a positive ID as either one made as a No4 Mk2, or converted during a rebuild from a No4 Mk1 to a No4 Mk1/2 (as the conversion was called.) The rear sight is a bit of a puzzle. All the ones made as a Mk2 had the screw micrometer, not the slider, so I'm guessing its probably a conversion. Can you angle a light shallowly along the receiver? That would help pick out the very light details of the original markings. Check for matching bolt number (hopefully not scrubbed, but if it is be cautious it's probably "Force matched") which is the polite way of saying just shoved in there & not really matching! __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

December 13, 2014, 09:49 PM	#10
shuvelrider Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2011 Location: West Coast of Michigan Posts: 132	I just saw a 1949 #4 at Cabela's today on the used rack, they were asking close to 400 on it. Electro penciled on the receiver, if that helps with pricing.