OC Decontamination - Page 2

Capt. Charlie · January 18, 2006, 09:53 PM

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If anyone would like to know how it went, let me know.

Oh, by all means! And be sure to record your screams & post here as a .WAV file

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pickpocket · January 18, 2006, 11:50 PM

Yes, definitely a .wav file... sound...we need sound. Video of you crying and screaming would also brighten up my day

Good luck!

mxwelch · January 19, 2006, 12:23 AM

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I want to be sprayed with it first so I know what to expect if I get sprayed with it or if it blows back into my face.

Me thinks somebody is gonna be very sorry!

I have a number of friends that are LE and they have heard of or seen every thing from flushing your eyes with milk to putting your face in front of the AC on a vehicle. The general opinion is that different things work for different people. Never fast enough or good enough though.

yorec · January 19, 2006, 01:07 AM

A medic standing by - We had EMS at our last class to see if they could help with the decontamination and so they'd know what to expect when called to such a scene... Saline seemed to help some. Others it did not. I prefer cold water - gallon upon gallon upon gallon of it. Saline did nothing for me and it was by no means cold enough.

Second the contact observation - I wore a pair of old ones to see if they helped delay the effects. They did, but after it set in, had to get rid of them to get any relief - they soak up that oil! Permanently ruined too. Just plan on replacing any contaminated.

NDTerminator · January 19, 2006, 09:27 AM

I'm a certified LEO OC Instructor, and normally run 3-4 cert classes a year. Last time I checked, I have over 50 sprays on the street or back in Corrections. Suffice to say I have a little experience with the stuff.

I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Our department as a group uses OC a lot. We even place it in front of Empty Hand Techniques on our Force Continuum.

You've been given some good advice. In my experience, fresh air & cool water help recovery the best. I've tried all the aftermarket antidotes I've come across, and can't say I've found one that works better. No matter what you do, it will take you 45 minutes up to 2 hours before you'll be able to function.

I highly recommend you take the cert class before carrying the stuff. Remember it's a Use Of Force, and you will be held liable for it's use. You want to find yourself in a liability box fast, use a method of force without being able to document you've been trained in it's use.

I would recommend against being sprayed unless it's done in a classroom setting under the supervision of a certified instructor. You could experience anything from a medical or allergic reaction to a full blown panic attack (I usually see at least one panic attack in every class, some are real doozies). If he has any experience at all, your instructor has seen it and will be able to help you safely deal with it, and has the knowledge to help you through recovery...

pickpocket · January 19, 2006, 11:35 AM

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NDTerminator:
Last time I checked, I have over 50 sprays on the street or back in Corrections. Suffice to say I have a little experience with the stuff.

You're that guy from that Steven Seagal movie, aren't you? The one who uses OC like it's breath freshener?

Derius_T · January 19, 2006, 12:10 PM

I always found dish washing soap, and cold water as effective as anything will ever be. (nothing helps alot in any case) And the solarcaine sunburn green gel does help afterwards quite a bit as someone else mentioned.

One thing to remember though, for the love of GOD if you wear contacts, take them OUT FIRST. I try to wear a very light colored pair of cheapo sunglasses when I'm out, just in case the backspray comes my way. (Without my contacts, I'd need a full auto to hit anything)

guntotin_fool · January 19, 2006, 12:56 PM

My neighbor at the old house was a vice cop, came home one day to find him laying the front yard in a pair of sweats with the lawn sprinkler running. he had been busting a pimp when the ho came out and hosed him down with OC. three hours later he was laying under the sprinkler waiting for the codiene to take effect. He threw that outfit away too, said no matter how many times he washed it, it still would burn his skin when he got sweaty.

Sulaco2 · January 19, 2006, 03:32 PM

STOP THAT Guntot!!!! I sprayed coffee through my nose onto my computer laughing so hard! The sgt don't like that...

Have worked with both the CN and CS at one time or another and have never understood why they don't combine the CS/CN and OC? With the tear gas type stuff you only have to hit the chest area and the perp walks around in his (or her) very own cloud of gas, mostly gagging. But OC has to hit the triangle between eyes and nose to be very effective.....

rmagill · January 26, 2006, 07:45 PM

Thanks again for the suggestions. Well, here is how it went:

I used Foxlab's OC (what I will carry). I had to get sprayed indors due to the cold weather. I had a friend of mine spray me and then I tried to take him to the ground (I work for in security, so this is relevant).

Well, after getting sprayed, I couldn't see/see well for a while (I am guessing any where from 1 to 5 min and it took me about 30 min of washing my face with soap and a lot of cool running water (and dunking my head in cool water) for me to finally be able to function reasonably well. It took about 1.5 to 2 hrs before all of the effects wore off, most of which was walking around with a shirt drapped over me (some of it got on my lower neck from my accidental ducking the first time

) walking around in the freezing, windy weather (only thing that helped the burning after it was mostly washed off). When I woke up this morning, my eyes were slightly swollen, but not too bad.

Moral of the story: me getting sprayed with OC is really not fun, but a good experience, in a painful burning kind of way.

Thanks for all of your input.

pickpocket · January 26, 2006, 08:12 PM

Pictures....PICTURES!!

NDTerminator · January 27, 2006, 10:36 AM

When I teach a POT or Corrections class, they always video tape it. Always good for a laugh.

On a similar note, a number of years ago a couple of our officers decided to test 12 gauge bean bag rounds. They set up a video camera, one put on his vest, and the other shot him.

They should have submitted it to America's Funniest Home Videos, they would have won the $10,000 in a walk.

This video has become a permanent part of our agency's lore & history...

January 18, 2006, 11:50 PM	#27
pickpocket Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 570	Oh yes... Yes, definitely a .wav file... sound...we need sound. Video of you crying and screaming would also brighten up my day Good luck! __________________ Semper Fi- David Williams "Sabah al khair -- ismee Dave, ahnee al Shayṭān"

January 19, 2006, 01:07 AM	#29
yorec Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,328	A medic standing by - We had EMS at our last class to see if they could help with the decontamination and so they'd know what to expect when called to such a scene... Saline seemed to help some. Others it did not. I prefer cold water - gallon upon gallon upon gallon of it. Saline did nothing for me and it was by no means cold enough. Second the contact observation - I wore a pair of old ones to see if they helped delay the effects. They did, but after it set in, had to get rid of them to get any relief - they soak up that oil! Permanently ruined too. Just plan on replacing any contaminated. __________________ What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't you understand?

January 19, 2006, 09:27 AM	#30
NDTerminator Member Join Date: January 8, 2006 Posts: 59	I'm a certified LEO OC Instructor, and normally run 3-4 cert classes a year. Last time I checked, I have over 50 sprays on the street or back in Corrections. Suffice to say I have a little experience with the stuff. I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Our department as a group uses OC a lot. We even place it in front of Empty Hand Techniques on our Force Continuum. You've been given some good advice. In my experience, fresh air & cool water help recovery the best. I've tried all the aftermarket antidotes I've come across, and can't say I've found one that works better. No matter what you do, it will take you 45 minutes up to 2 hours before you'll be able to function. I highly recommend you take the cert class before carrying the stuff. Remember it's a Use Of Force, and you will be held liable for it's use. You want to find yourself in a liability box fast, use a method of force without being able to document you've been trained in it's use. I would recommend against being sprayed unless it's done in a classroom setting under the supervision of a certified instructor. You could experience anything from a medical or allergic reaction to a full blown panic attack (I usually see at least one panic attack in every class, some are real doozies). If he has any experience at all, your instructor has seen it and will be able to help you safely deal with it, and has the knowledge to help you through recovery... __________________ To my great mortification, my father once told me; "you care nothing but for dogs, shooting, and rat catching, you will be a disgrace to yourself and all your family" Charles Darwin

January 26, 2006, 08:12 PM	#36
pickpocket Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 570	Pictures....PICTURES!! __________________ Semper Fi- David Williams "Sabah al khair -- ismee Dave, ahnee al Shayṭān"

January 27, 2006, 10:36 AM	#37
NDTerminator Member Join Date: January 8, 2006 Posts: 59	When I teach a POT or Corrections class, they always video tape it. Always good for a laugh. On a similar note, a number of years ago a couple of our officers decided to test 12 gauge bean bag rounds. They set up a video camera, one put on his vest, and the other shot him. They should have submitted it to America's Funniest Home Videos, they would have won the $10,000 in a walk. This video has become a permanent part of our agency's lore & history... __________________ To my great mortification, my father once told me; "you care nothing but for dogs, shooting, and rat catching, you will be a disgrace to yourself and all your family" Charles Darwin

January 19, 2006, 12:10 PM	#32
Derius_T Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2004 Location: South West OHIO (boondocks) Posts: 1,337	I always found dish washing soap, and cold water as effective as anything will ever be. (nothing helps alot in any case) And the solarcaine sunburn green gel does help afterwards quite a bit as someone else mentioned. One thing to remember though, for the love of GOD if you wear contacts, take them OUT FIRST. I try to wear a very light colored pair of cheapo sunglasses when I'm out, just in case the backspray comes my way. (Without my contacts, I'd need a full auto to hit anything)

January 19, 2006, 12:56 PM	#33
guntotin_fool Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2004 Posts: 1,446	My neighbor at the old house was a vice cop, came home one day to find him laying the front yard in a pair of sweats with the lawn sprinkler running. he had been busting a pimp when the ho came out and hosed him down with OC. three hours later he was laying under the sprinkler waiting for the codiene to take effect. He threw that outfit away too, said no matter how many times he washed it, it still would burn his skin when he got sweaty.

January 19, 2006, 03:32 PM	#34
Sulaco2 Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,247	STOP THAT Guntot!!!! I sprayed coffee through my nose onto my computer laughing so hard! The sgt don't like that... Have worked with both the CN and CS at one time or another and have never understood why they don't combine the CS/CN and OC? With the tear gas type stuff you only have to hit the chest area and the perp walks around in his (or her) very own cloud of gas, mostly gagging. But OC has to hit the triangle between eyes and nose to be very effective.....

January 26, 2006, 07:45 PM	#35
rmagill Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 142	Thanks again for the suggestions. Well, here is how it went: I used Foxlab's OC (what I will carry). I had to get sprayed indors due to the cold weather. I had a friend of mine spray me and then I tried to take him to the ground (I work for in security, so this is relevant). Well, after getting sprayed, I couldn't see/see well for a while (I am guessing any where from 1 to 5 min and it took me about 30 min of washing my face with soap and a lot of cool running water (and dunking my head in cool water) for me to finally be able to function reasonably well. It took about 1.5 to 2 hrs before all of the effects wore off, most of which was walking around with a shirt drapped over me (some of it got on my lower neck from my accidental ducking the first time ) walking around in the freezing, windy weather (only thing that helped the burning after it was mostly washed off). When I woke up this morning, my eyes were slightly swollen, but not too bad. Moral of the story: me getting sprayed with OC is really not fun, but a good experience, in a painful burning kind of way. Thanks for all of your input.