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January 9, 2013, 11:09 PM | #26 |
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magazine capacity
I don't know that it makes a big difference to me. In 9mm 10 rds vs 15+ rounds = ?? I don't feel safer w. > 10 rds. For my 357 revolver, 7 rds seems adequate in any reasonably conceivable situation. And, for you 1911 .45 ACP enthusiasts (with whom I have an affinity), 7 rds has always seemed acceptable. Just don't see it as a big deal; it's a PC issue more than a practical one.
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January 9, 2013, 11:11 PM | #27 | |
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January 9, 2013, 11:13 PM | #28 |
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IF we are limited to 10 rounds, doesn't mean you need to carry smaller, the longer barrel gives better accuracy at longer range. Would you shoot comp with a Glock 26 (small barrel) or Glock 17?
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January 9, 2013, 11:23 PM | #29 |
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If you're limited to 10 rounds you could soon be limited to 5 rounds.
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January 9, 2013, 11:50 PM | #30 |
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I'm guessing the biggest problem will be the wait-time and huge demand for new ten rd mags for all the people who need them to comply with new laws. People will probably hoard those just like they're hoarding everything else right now.
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January 10, 2013, 07:13 AM | #31 |
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How can one tell an existing magazine from a new one
unless manufacturers retool. So I can't see a grandfather clause. |
January 10, 2013, 08:08 AM | #32 |
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It will be interesting to read and study Mrs Fienstien's bill. If it says something to the effect of "firearms capable of being fitted with a detachable magazine with the ability to contain more than ten rounds of ammunition", or equipped with a magnifying optic of over 4X we're in trouble.
Are there 1911 mags that hold over ten rounds? If so, that includes the 1911 whether you own such mags or not. Then in a few years one will include "small, easily concealed handguns" such as snubbies and subcompacts as the weapon of choice for gang murders, then our deer rifles will be classified "sniper weapons" (after all, "real hunters worth thier salt" don't need to assasinate deer from over 100 yards), and the list will grow without end over the next decade unless we do something now. Once all the guns are deemed to be illegal, I say we take away Secret Service and Diplomatic Security Service protection for our leaders and dignitarys becuase it will then be safe in our neutered society. I am an NRA member, but I'm considering also joining the GOA, SAF and others. |
January 10, 2013, 09:26 AM | #33 |
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I'll go to my SIG P220 even more so.
People wondered why I traded a Glock 34 for a used SIG P220...lol come on now. I'd prefer if nothing of the sort happened. We need all the rights we can get. |
January 10, 2013, 09:37 AM | #34 |
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The baby Glocks will rule.
It's really a great gun. Pocketable yet shoots like a full size. |
January 10, 2013, 10:12 AM | #35 |
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Interesting answers
I agree that the ban isn't very likely and even if instated it would almost certainly have a grandfather clause.
However, I do think that manufacturers would be quick to find a new market going forward. Just like they have flocked to the "tiny-niney" over the last several years, I think that we'd start seeing a lot of new single stack polymer's that are effective for both carry and competition. For those who pointed out that a larger grip and sight radius improve practical accuracy....thanks, but I kinda already new that. My point is simply that the gun makers seem to play numbers games now and I think that larger calibers and new single stacks would become the rage. For instance, a new shooter could buy a Glock 34, but then someone would come up with something that has the slimmer dimension but offers all of the same pro's and suddenly people would stop feeling like the Glock was a "no brainer". Beretta 92's would get overlooked for 1911's. Why buy the fat design when there are slimmer designs that do the same thing. Gun manufacturers have become masters of starting new trends and I'm guessing that's what it would be. (note: I like this trend! We've gotten some great products out of it! ) Just my $.02 Pete |
January 10, 2013, 04:27 PM | #36 |
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9 rounds from my Colt NM and 9 more rounds from the Colt Commander Gold cup. Would that be cheating? Just shot my Mosin Nagant carbine this afternoon, not sure I would need 10 rounds or more. However I will stand side by side with my dinosaur guns with the little fellers and their AR's and AK's to fight any dang fool trying to take them away. They want to ban something, ban anybody who has been in office more than 6 years.
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January 10, 2013, 05:18 PM | #37 |
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The thought of having to be limited to 10 round is the reason I bit-the-bullet and have a Sig X-Five Competition in 9mm on its way to me as I type this!
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January 10, 2013, 05:35 PM | #38 |
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I'm not "soiling my pants" over any of this stuff...first of all because I have everything I want....and 8 or 10 rds in a 1911 has always been plenty anyway..../ so it won't change my philosophy on what I carry ( because it has been and will be a 5" 1911 in .45 acp )....
The only double stack guns I have ....are my Sig 226's in 9mm and .40S&W and an X-Five in .40S&W..../ and I have at least 8 mags for each .../ and depending on how, or if, the law is written...ok, I'll put new springs in them and limit them to 10 rds if I have to .... but everyone should just take a deep breath...and wait until something happens ..../ but for the most part for Defense or for recreational shooting it flat out doesn't matter...! |
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Don't want to be rude to the powers that be, but who's going to enforce this hicap magazine ban? There are millions of these guns out and probably many millions more of the mags ... I'm keeping a positive attitude, I don't think it's going to happen, but if it does, it will be amusing to watch them try and make it work ...
And I just ordered an XDs, mag cap 7+1 of .45ACP, I'm ready to repel boarders ...
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January 11, 2013, 03:47 PM | #40 |
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All I know is I am in the 1911 market right now. I've always wanted one, had one, it was an abomination, rid myself of it, and I'm looking to get back into it with TRP style.
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I and many others have written our senators, congressmen to let them know we will oppose any more gun laws. Have you? Have you joined the NRA? I've been a member for 30 yrs. but sent a $250:00 donation last month and another $250.00 donation on Tuesday. The premise of your post just accepts defeat. Get off your ass and get involved in the fight to save our 2nd Amendment rights. Open your wallet, spend some money so you can keep your guns. You can join the NRA for the price of a box of ammo.
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January 11, 2013, 05:27 PM | #42 |
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And right now NRA memberships are $25 with a $25 GIFT CARD to Bass Pro Shops if you join. It costs you nothing!!!
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January 11, 2013, 05:51 PM | #43 |
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Coltman is right... we really should be contributing to those who have made a profession out of keeping our gun rights in place. Despite a few shortcomings they've done a pretty good job at not only protecting those rights, but have managed to expand them over recent years with ccw pushed out almost everywhere, for example.
I personally would like to see the NRA begin to contribute to security, training and organizing those individuals into an effective volunteer group that can defend and deter the deranged cowards that threaten our "soft spots", along with lobbing for law changes that makes it nearly impossible (illegal) to defend those spaces. |
January 11, 2013, 08:42 PM | #44 |
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Since I mostly carry a 26, I'd quit carrying 2 spare mags and switch to carrying 4.
So, lets see.. No restrictions, I have 37 rds. With restrictions, I'm forced to carry 41 rds. Funny how they're going about this if everybody has to carry more ammo.
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The REAL problem is what will they ban next. Even those liberal idiot lawmakers will learn from their last ban and I don't think they will stop this time if they succeed.
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I'd be doubly sure to write your representatives. Writing them lets them know that there is a voting block that is watching their moves. I've written one general message outlining my views and then I've written my representative a separate email noting my disagreement for each of the following bills: H.R. 21: NRA Members' Gun Safety Act of 2013 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:h.r.00021: H.R. 34: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2013 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...s/d113HR.lst:: H.R. 65: Child Gun Safety and Gun Access Prevention Act of 2013 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@D&summ2=m& H.R. 93: Fire Sale Loophole Closing Act http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...s/d113HR.lst:: H.R. 117: Handgun Licensing and Registration Act of 2013 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...s/d113HR.lst:: H.R. 137: Expand Background Checks http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...s/d113HR.lst:: H.R. 138: Large-Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...3:HR00138:@@@P H.R. 142: Ammunition Sales http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:h.r.142: |
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Don't get me wrong, fighting for your rights is what we should all be doing. I fail to comprehend how acknowledging the fact that our rights may change is a bad thing. No plan survives contact with the enemy. My plan to keep my gun rights intact is not assured, so I prepare for other possible outcomes as well. Last edited by P1090; January 11, 2013 at 11:18 PM. |
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