223 vs. 308 - Page 2

howabouttheiris · December 17, 2012, 09:26 PM

Well let's agree to disagree.... sure it is harder, but not out of reach.

Guess the wind +- 3MPH, make an adjustment and send the round. Miss by a foot and crank another few clicks..... It should not be reserved for the uber-elite.

I learned more in 30 minutes firing at the 4" plate at BOTW at 500 yards than I ever could have firing at 100 yards (and measuring 1/16ths of an inch)

dgludwig · December 19, 2012, 06:26 PM

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but if you have 5000 rounds per year at 1K, you KNOW it is not as simple as shooting groups at 100 yards- unless, you've found some "windless", and void of other environmental factors, shooting utpoia that I can only dream of...

I agree with this assessment. If you're a serious, competitive target shooter, you will encounter shooting situations when doping the wind correctly is vital to attaining a good score. And .308 projectiles are less influenced by the wind than are .22 caliber bullets. The only advantages that I think the .223/5.56 cartridge has over the .308 cartridge for target (and hunting/self-defense purposes too, for that matter) is that they cost less, recoil less and, for "tactical" reasons, you can carry more rounds for the same amount of weight and bulk and the magazines will have a higher capacity given the same size. These advantages, however, can mean a lot for the individual shooter.

4runnerman · December 20, 2012, 06:39 PM

One other advantage of the 223 is speed. 300 to 500 FPS faster than the 308. Can make a small difference.All in all i would go with the 308.
I have shot both at 600 yards and hands down the 308 win's almost always.

If you find that day with no wind

,Then i would give the 223 a good Shot as IMHO it is a more accurate round than the 308.

Eppie · December 20, 2012, 07:27 PM

I too started down this road a few years ago with the simple goal of shooting targets. First at 100-300 yards and then the 300-1,000 yards. Well it's been an interesting journey and I've learned a lot more about bullets then I have about rifles.

My advice is go with a Savage .308 with a 24+ inch barrel. A lot of the .308 you see for sale are the 20" carabine. The Savage is the best out of the box factory rifle on the market. After you get some experience with it, for a couple hundred of dollars you can have it accurized and that will take you to a 1,000 yards but you'll have to use the 175 grain bullets to stay supersonic at that distance.

Most of the guys I know that are shooting at 1,000 yards for competition are using custom rifles chambered in 6.5mm. But I wouldn't put the cart before the horse. If recoil is not an issue the .308 is the way to go.

4runnerman · December 20, 2012, 09:08 PM

Eppie- With ya all the way. Been there done that. Little bit different with what i see. Most 1000 yard 308 shooters i know are shooting 155 palma Hybrids or just 155 palmas. Much easier to keep 155 supersonic to 1000 than a 175 and the Coeficency is almost a match. I was doing FTR class with my 308,but decided F open is what i really wanted to do. Thinking of doing both next summer though

December 20, 2012, 06:39 PM	#28
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	One other advantage of the 223 is speed. 300 to 500 FPS faster than the 308. Can make a small difference.All in all i would go with the 308. I have shot both at 600 yards and hands down the 308 win's almost always. If you find that day with no wind,Then i would give the 223 a good Shot as IMHO it is a more accurate round than the 308. __________________ NRA Certified RSO NwCP- Performance Isn't Optional

December 20, 2012, 07:27 PM	#29
Eppie Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 802	I too started down this road a few years ago with the simple goal of shooting targets. First at 100-300 yards and then the 300-1,000 yards. Well it's been an interesting journey and I've learned a lot more about bullets then I have about rifles. My advice is go with a Savage .308 with a 24+ inch barrel. A lot of the .308 you see for sale are the 20" carabine. The Savage is the best out of the box factory rifle on the market. After you get some experience with it, for a couple hundred of dollars you can have it accurized and that will take you to a 1,000 yards but you'll have to use the 175 grain bullets to stay supersonic at that distance. Most of the guys I know that are shooting at 1,000 yards for competition are using custom rifles chambered in 6.5mm. But I wouldn't put the cart before the horse. If recoil is not an issue the .308 is the way to go. __________________ "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.” -Vladimir Lenin "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson (An early warning to Obama care)

December 20, 2012, 09:08 PM	#30
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	Eppie- With ya all the way. Been there done that. Little bit different with what i see. Most 1000 yard 308 shooters i know are shooting 155 palma Hybrids or just 155 palmas. Much easier to keep 155 supersonic to 1000 than a 175 and the Coeficency is almost a match. I was doing FTR class with my 308,but decided F open is what i really wanted to do. Thinking of doing both next summer though __________________ NRA Certified RSO NwCP- Performance Isn't Optional

December 17, 2012, 09:26 PM	#26
howabouttheiris Member Join Date: April 22, 2012 Posts: 40	Well let's agree to disagree.... sure it is harder, but not out of reach. Guess the wind +- 3MPH, make an adjustment and send the round. Miss by a foot and crank another few clicks..... It should not be reserved for the uber-elite. I learned more in 30 minutes firing at the 4" plate at BOTW at 500 yards than I ever could have firing at 100 yards (and measuring 1/16ths of an inch)