Can anyone identify this pistol?

Bernie Lomax · September 22, 2014, 11:47 PM

Here it is:

http://www.as-coa.org/sites/default/...?itok=EG1yoQDy

Here's the article it came from:

http://www.as-coa.org/articles/expla...gest-economies

The caption explains that it's being surrendered by a man in Mexico City to a city employee as part of a voluntary government weapons exchange program.

Anyone have any idea what it is?

Bill DeShivs · September 23, 2014, 12:56 AM

Looks very much like a standard Spanish "Ruby" .32 automatic.

**Aguila Blanca** · September 23, 2014, 06:55 AM

I think it's too big to be a Ruby -- and it's in Mexico. I can't recall the name, but there is (or was) a Mexican quasi-clone of the 1911. The 1911 -- in caliber .38 Super -- has always been popular in Mexico. That pistol looks "sort of" like a 1911, but not quite right, so my guess is that it's one of those Mexican-made clones.

**Mike Irwin** · September 23, 2014, 07:29 AM

"I think it's too big to be a Ruby -- and it's in Mexico."

Overall it looks like a Ruby, and I'm having a hard time judging the size.

The fact that it's in Mexico, though, means nothing. If it is a Ruby, it's had 100 or so years to get to Mexico one way or another.

Mexico has a thriving arms blackmarket, and has had for decades.

Bernie Lomax · September 23, 2014, 09:02 AM

Quote:

I think it's too big to be a Ruby -- and it's in Mexico. I can't recall the name, but there is (or was) a Mexican quasi-clone of the 1911. The 1911 -- in caliber .38 Super -- has always been popular in Mexico. That pistol looks "sort of" like a 1911, but not quite right, so my guess is that it's one of those Mexican-made clones.

It looks like there's no external hammer, though, so I doubt it's a 1911 clone.

**Mike Irwin** · September 23, 2014, 09:34 AM

The Mexican-made Coltish clone was the Obregon.

The pistol shown in the pictures above is NOT an Obregon. Not even close.

This is an Obregon, and as far as I can determine, the Obregon was made ONLY in .45 ACP, never in .38 Super.

jag2 · September 23, 2014, 09:37 AM

I have a Ruby and am looking at right now. Things that match:
Large button on the slide just above the trigger
Scallops on the rear of the slide
Notch at the bottom of the grip with a lanyard loop
Long lip on the front of mag
Safety location
Looks completely correct, I don't see anything that doesn't match mine.

**Aguila Blanca** · September 23, 2014, 01:17 PM

Obregan is what I was thinking of, and you're right -- the gun in the photo doesn't look like an Obregan.

TATER · September 23, 2014, 03:11 PM

Must be LittleBitty People, Looks like a Ruby to me.

Samuel2011 · September 24, 2014, 12:18 AM

Nope, don't think so!
I think it's a Trejo tipo 2.
If I remember correct the tipo 1 was a .22 LR semi auto and the tipo 2 was a little bigger and in .380 ACP caliber.
On a side note both were available in a "Rafaga" versión which meant they were full auto.

But then again, the more I stare at it the more it looks like a Ruby with home made stocks.

**Mike Irwin** · September 24, 2014, 05:32 AM

I don't think that looks anything like a Trejo.

Trejos had a much more angled grip while the grip on the Ruby was a lot more vertical.

More importantly, all Trejos had a Colt-style barrel bushing; the gun in the attached picture doesn't have a bushing.

SDC · September 24, 2014, 06:12 AM

One of the many Rubys, and the tip-off is that "button" on the left side; these were added after the French found out that the usual rotating safety would be knocked into the "fire" position by pushing their loaded pistols into a holster and suddenly developing a limp, so that "button" is meant to keep a holster away from the safety.

HisSoldier · September 24, 2014, 10:11 PM

Ruby, as posted above that is a tipoff.

tipoc · September 25, 2014, 02:37 AM

Below is a link showing a few Ruby's...

http://www.forgottenweapons.com/othe...ns/eibar-ruby/

The gun in the pistol shows a variation on the Ruby theme.

tipoc

Ceol Mhor · September 25, 2014, 12:32 PM

Definitely a Ruby - and a French military issue one to boot. The rivet in the middle of the slide markings is a dead giveaway.

September 22, 2014, 11:47 PM	#1
Bernie Lomax Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2010 Posts: 178	Can anyone identify this pistol? Here it is: http://www.as-coa.org/sites/default/...?itok=EG1yoQDy Here's the article it came from: http://www.as-coa.org/articles/expla...gest-economies The caption explains that it's being surrendered by a man in Mexico City to a city employee as part of a voluntary government weapons exchange program. Anyone have any idea what it is? __________________ "People in Arizona carry guns. You better be careful about who you are picking on."--Detective David Ramer, Chandler police spokesman

September 23, 2014, 12:56 AM	#2
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Looks very much like a standard Spanish "Ruby" .32 automatic. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

September 23, 2014, 07:29 AM	#4
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	"I think it's too big to be a Ruby -- and it's in Mexico." Overall it looks like a Ruby, and I'm having a hard time judging the size. The fact that it's in Mexico, though, means nothing. If it is a Ruby, it's had 100 or so years to get to Mexico one way or another. Mexico has a thriving arms blackmarket, and has had for decades. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

September 23, 2014, 09:34 AM	#6
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	The Mexican-made Coltish clone was the Obregon. The pistol shown in the pictures above is NOT an Obregon. Not even close. This is an Obregon, and as far as I can determine, the Obregon was made ONLY in .45 ACP, never in .38 Super. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

September 24, 2014, 12:18 AM	#10
Samuel2011 Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2010 Location: So. Cal. Unfortunately! Posts: 134	Nope, don't think so! I think it's a Trejo tipo 2. If I remember correct the tipo 1 was a .22 LR semi auto and the tipo 2 was a little bigger and in .380 ACP caliber. On a side note both were available in a "Rafaga" versión which meant they were full auto. But then again, the more I stare at it the more it looks like a Ruby with home made stocks. __________________ Formerly Samuel2001

September 23, 2014, 06:55 AM	#3
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	I think it's too big to be a Ruby -- and it's in Mexico. I can't recall the name, but there is (or was) a Mexican quasi-clone of the 1911. The 1911 -- in caliber .38 Super -- has always been popular in Mexico. That pistol looks "sort of" like a 1911, but not quite right, so my guess is that it's one of those Mexican-made clones.

September 23, 2014, 09:37 AM	#7
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	I have a Ruby and am looking at right now. Things that match: Large button on the slide just above the trigger Scallops on the rear of the slide Notch at the bottom of the grip with a lanyard loop Long lip on the front of mag Safety location Looks completely correct, I don't see anything that doesn't match mine.

September 23, 2014, 01:17 PM	#8
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	Obregan is what I was thinking of, and you're right -- the gun in the photo doesn't look like an Obregan.

September 23, 2014, 03:11 PM	#9
TATER Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 963	Must be LittleBitty People, Looks like a Ruby to me.

September 24, 2014, 05:32 AM	#11
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	I don't think that looks anything like a Trejo. Trejos had a much more angled grip while the grip on the Ruby was a lot more vertical. More importantly, all Trejos had a Colt-style barrel bushing; the gun in the attached picture doesn't have a bushing. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

September 24, 2014, 06:12 AM	#12
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	One of the many Rubys, and the tip-off is that "button" on the left side; these were added after the French found out that the usual rotating safety would be knocked into the "fire" position by pushing their loaded pistols into a holster and suddenly developing a limp, so that "button" is meant to keep a holster away from the safety. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

September 24, 2014, 10:11 PM	#13
HisSoldier Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2007 Location: Oregoncoast Posts: 1,793	Ruby, as posted above that is a tipoff. __________________ CNC produced 416 stainless triggers to replace the plastic triggers on Colt Mustangs, Mustang Plus II's, MK IV Government .380's and Sig P238's and P938's. Plus Colt Mustang hardened 416 guide rods, and Llama .32 and .380 recoil spring buttons, checkered nicely and blued.

September 25, 2014, 02:37 AM	#14
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	Below is a link showing a few Ruby's... http://www.forgottenweapons.com/othe...ns/eibar-ruby/ The gun in the pistol shows a variation on the Ruby theme. tipoc

September 25, 2014, 12:32 PM	#15
Ceol Mhor Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2001 Posts: 1,043	Definitely a Ruby - and a French military issue one to boot. The rivet in the middle of the slide markings is a dead giveaway. __________________ "There goes as if deranged a German soldier, with burning helmet on his head, making horrible noises. A second, as though possessed, yells "Jews...weapons. Jews...weapons." - From an anonymous eyewitness' description of the first battle of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising