New member with pics!

Phantom Captain · March 27, 2007, 05:20 PM

Hi all,

Longtime lurker here as well but finally registered. It was O.S.O.K's thread that finally made me post seeing we have some of the same pistols.

I grew up shooting black powder, my dad was a buckskinner and hunter and has made a few of his own rifles. Also used to go to Friendship as a kid (many many years ago, lol). I cut my teeth on black powder.

My interest these days is wholly in the Civil War era. I'm one of those guys that knows tons about everything CW and spend lots of time and energy reading and researching it, also collecting and shooting! I'm a certified buff and amateur historian. I have also visited quite a few battlefields.

So I just thought I would show off my toys! Everyone here likes pictures right?!

my Uberti 2nd Model Dragoon

big bang, nice kick, lots of smoke! i was shooting .457 balls and loading 45gr.

here is my Pietta 1860 Army, yes i do love the Colt's!

and finally the Pedersoli 1861 Springfield.

i shoot 60gr. loads with a .58 caliber minie ball.

Phantom Captain · March 27, 2007, 05:24 PM

O.S.O.K. · March 27, 2007, 06:32 PM

Gotcha to post huh?

Great pics!!

I just posted some more on my thread about my new 3rd model dragoon - 45 grains of powder and .457" balls - that's what I'm gravitating to.

Thanks for posting.

mykeal · March 28, 2007, 09:51 AM

Very nice hardware, esp. the long gun. You obviously take good care of your stuff.

Fred_Fred · March 28, 2007, 05:38 PM

Nice guns. That springfield looks REAL nice.. I'm going to try your kneeling position next time out too.

Regards.

PawDog · April 10, 2007, 06:25 PM

Nice BP firearms! I also used to be a big Civil War fan.....visited many battlefields over the years; Appomattox; Fort Monroe; New Market; Petersburg; Vicksburg; Mobile Bay; and, since moving to the area in 2003, Sabine Pass, Tx. Don't have time nowadays to spend on the old hobby, but, still remember my passion for the era back in the day.

Phantom Captain · April 11, 2007, 05:40 PM

You've been to a bunch and different ones from I! I've been to Gettysburg, Shiloh, Chickamauga, Stones River, and Franklin.

I have a good start on my collection.

Here's my full compliment of Civil War weapons.

I'm going out again next week and will be sure to bring the camera and post some target pics and loads as well.

The pistols are, from left to right, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy and 1850 2nd Model Dragoon. The saber is an 1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber, the old Wristbreaker. Sharp too! The muskets are an 1862 Richmond on top and of course the 1861 Springfield. All are replicas.

Phantom Captain · April 11, 2007, 05:44 PM

these came out kinda cool so i thought i would post them.

KW-Bane · April 11, 2007, 10:28 PM

Very nice!!!

How does that Dragoon shoot?

What modern gun would you compare it to in power?

geez768 · April 11, 2007, 11:06 PM

ive wanted a black powder revolver for a long time i just cant decide whice one to get.

O.S.O.K. · April 12, 2007, 09:26 AM

Thanks for posting those!

KW-Bane, the dragoon generates from 376 to 540 foot pounds at the top end of kinetic energy with 140 grain round ball and 200 grain conical.

This compares with:

38 Special 284
38 Special +P 335
9mm Para 368
44 Special 340
45 ACP 370
45 Colt 501
.357 Mag 688
.44 Mag 1120

If the 45 Colt number seems low, consider that it's top end black powder loading was 40 grains - that compares with 50 in the dragoon.

The dragoon was a bad mutha. The 1860, 1858, and other .44's were close behind and all were considered very effective cqc weapons.

Phantom Captain · April 12, 2007, 01:18 PM

Absolutely agree with O.S.O.K. The Dragoon IS a bad mutha.

It's very heavy, over 4lbs so it does a good job absorbing some of the kick but it will definitely buck in your hand. Loaded with the full 50gr. powder load it's a beast and delivers serious power. And...it's way fun to shoot!! It certainly draws attention.

Definitely pretty close to a modern .357 or light load .44 in my opinion.

It barks and has alot of bite. I wouldn't want to get hit with any round ball, be it .36 or .44 but the extra charge that the Dragoon has is pretty serious from my observation. Certainly not a trite or archaic weapon in my opinion and it and the Walker did remain the most powerful handguns even after the advent of cartridge revolvers up until the development of the .357 magnum in the early 1900's. To this day I would say the Dragoon has more power than MOST of your modern day equivalents. Add to the fact that it shoots (I shoot round balls, no conicals) a pure lead 140gr. soft round ball and you begin to see the potential for very heavy energy transfer.

Cap and ball sixguns, nothing better!

March 27, 2007, 05:20 PM	#1
Phantom Captain Member Join Date: March 27, 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 78	New member with pics! Hi all, Longtime lurker here as well but finally registered. It was O.S.O.K's thread that finally made me post seeing we have some of the same pistols. I grew up shooting black powder, my dad was a buckskinner and hunter and has made a few of his own rifles. Also used to go to Friendship as a kid (many many years ago, lol). I cut my teeth on black powder. My interest these days is wholly in the Civil War era. I'm one of those guys that knows tons about everything CW and spend lots of time and energy reading and researching it, also collecting and shooting! I'm a certified buff and amateur historian. I have also visited quite a few battlefields. So I just thought I would show off my toys! Everyone here likes pictures right?! my Uberti 2nd Model Dragoon big bang, nice kick, lots of smoke! i was shooting .457 balls and loading 45gr. here is my Pietta 1860 Army, yes i do love the Colt's! and finally the Pedersoli 1861 Springfield. i shoot 60gr. loads with a .58 caliber minie ball. Last edited by Phantom Captain; March 27, 2007 at 05:57 PM.

March 27, 2007, 05:24 PM	#2
Phantom Captain Member Join Date: March 27, 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 78	1861 Springfield

March 27, 2007, 06:32 PM	#3
O.S.O.K. Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2007 Posts: 122	wow, I did something good Gotcha to post huh? Great pics!! I just posted some more on my thread about my new 3rd model dragoon - 45 grains of powder and .457" balls - that's what I'm gravitating to. Thanks for posting.

March 28, 2007, 09:51 AM	#4
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Beautiful Springfield Very nice hardware, esp. the long gun. You obviously take good care of your stuff.

April 11, 2007, 05:40 PM	#7
Phantom Captain Member Join Date: March 27, 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 78	Nice! You've been to a bunch and different ones from I! I've been to Gettysburg, Shiloh, Chickamauga, Stones River, and Franklin. I have a good start on my collection. Here's my full compliment of Civil War weapons. I'm going out again next week and will be sure to bring the camera and post some target pics and loads as well. The pistols are, from left to right, 1860 Army, 1861 Navy and 1850 2nd Model Dragoon. The saber is an 1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber, the old Wristbreaker. Sharp too! The muskets are an 1862 Richmond on top and of course the 1861 Springfield. All are replicas.

March 28, 2007, 05:38 PM	#5
Fred_Fred Member Join Date: March 26, 2007 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 35	Nice guns. That springfield looks REAL nice.. I'm going to try your kneeling position next time out too. Regards.

April 10, 2007, 06:25 PM	#6
PawDog Member Join Date: December 26, 2006 Location: Lake Tawakoni, Texas Posts: 18	Nice BP firearms! I also used to be a big Civil War fan.....visited many battlefields over the years; Appomattox; Fort Monroe; New Market; Petersburg; Vicksburg; Mobile Bay; and, since moving to the area in 2003, Sabine Pass, Tx. Don't have time nowadays to spend on the old hobby, but, still remember my passion for the era back in the day.

April 11, 2007, 05:44 PM	#8
Phantom Captain Member Join Date: March 27, 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 78	these came out kinda cool so i thought i would post them. Last edited by Phantom Captain; April 11, 2007 at 08:28 PM.

April 11, 2007, 10:28 PM	#9
KW-Bane Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 109	Very nice!!! How does that Dragoon shoot? What modern gun would you compare it to in power? __________________ http://www.kwsquad.com/kwsite2/ "Everyone knows there is right and wrong, but integrity proves a man"

April 11, 2007, 11:06 PM	#10
geez768 Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 169	ive wanted a black powder revolver for a long time i just cant decide whice one to get.

April 12, 2007, 09:26 AM	#11
O.S.O.K. Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2007 Posts: 122	very nice pics Thanks for posting those! KW-Bane, the dragoon generates from 376 to 540 foot pounds at the top end of kinetic energy with 140 grain round ball and 200 grain conical. This compares with: 38 Special 284 38 Special +P 335 9mm Para 368 44 Special 340 45 ACP 370 45 Colt 501 .357 Mag 688 .44 Mag 1120 If the 45 Colt number seems low, consider that it's top end black powder loading was 40 grains - that compares with 50 in the dragoon. The dragoon was a bad mutha. The 1860, 1858, and other .44's were close behind and all were considered very effective cqc weapons.

April 12, 2007, 01:18 PM	#12
Phantom Captain Member Join Date: March 27, 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 78	Absolutely agree with O.S.O.K. The Dragoon IS a bad mutha. It's very heavy, over 4lbs so it does a good job absorbing some of the kick but it will definitely buck in your hand. Loaded with the full 50gr. powder load it's a beast and delivers serious power. And...it's way fun to shoot!! It certainly draws attention. Definitely pretty close to a modern .357 or light load .44 in my opinion. It barks and has alot of bite. I wouldn't want to get hit with any round ball, be it .36 or .44 but the extra charge that the Dragoon has is pretty serious from my observation. Certainly not a trite or archaic weapon in my opinion and it and the Walker did remain the most powerful handguns even after the advent of cartridge revolvers up until the development of the .357 magnum in the early 1900's. To this day I would say the Dragoon has more power than MOST of your modern day equivalents. Add to the fact that it shoots (I shoot round balls, no conicals) a pure lead 140gr. soft round ball and you begin to see the potential for very heavy energy transfer. Cap and ball sixguns, nothing better! Last edited by Phantom Captain; April 12, 2007 at 08:47 PM.