.22 short...what is it good for?? - Page 2

JRH6856 · March 19, 2013, 11:06 PM

$120???

(I know what my sig line says, but geez.)

kilimanjaro · March 19, 2013, 11:33 PM

I use 'em to shoot the rats that occaisonally show up under the bird feeders. No noise, doesn't penetrate through the varmint, and kills 'em in short order.

FrankenMauser · March 20, 2013, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Not trying to hi-jack the thread but......what is the effective range with a .22 short from a long rifle on a squirrel?

It has plenty of energy beyond 100 yards for rodents (more than 40 ft-lb).
With a sight-in distance of 50 yards, it will drop about 8 to 12 inches at 100 yards (depends on the load, barrel length, and muzzle velocity).

I know some people think that energy level (64 ft-lb) isn't even adequate at the muzzle, but the dead squirrels would argue otherwise ... if they could.

CajunBass · March 20, 2013, 06:27 AM

I like shorts for quiet plinking. They are quieter than Long Rifle. A LR has a much sharper CRACK IMHO.

I've used them for squirrels in the past. They don't seem to mind. A dead squirrel is a dead squirrel.

Sport45 · March 20, 2013, 08:03 AM

My Grandpa said he liked shorts because the dead squirrel always landed on the ground. Said long rifle would pass through and leave the dead squirrel in the tree..

Now, he said this in '69 or so and probably hadn't hunted for 25 years before that. I've never shot a squirrel out of a tree with anything so really can't add to or take away from what he told me back then.

I do know if they didn't make .22 short I wouldn't be able to shoot the High Standard Model C pistol my dad handed down.

Skans · March 20, 2013, 09:23 AM

FWIW, I typically buy .22 shorts at Walmart - more expensive than bulk .22 longs, but still reasonably priced.....well, last batch I bought was 4 months ago.

RedBowTies88 · March 20, 2013, 09:45 AM

In NJ .22s is the only legal rifle cartridge to hunt with.

I use shorts often of the CCI cb varietty just in my backyard to have a little fun without upsetting the neghibors.

29g at 1000fps is nothing to laugh at, even with my low power CB's @ 710fps they still put a hurting on squirells and rabbits

alex0535 · March 20, 2013, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Not trying to hi-jack the thread but......what is the effective range with a .22 short from a long rifle on a squirrel?

Thread is about what the .22 short is good for. Its good for shooting squirrels as far as I am concerned, so not a hijack.

I think that the effective range is whatever distance you are capable of hitting a squirrel in the head with them. You hit them anywhere else they take their time dying from it. Talking about a 3/4" target that likes to move around. I would think 100 yards if the shooter is skilled. The little .22 shorts are really accurate, but I would want to know what the drop is at 100 yards if zeroed at 50 yards.

Lemmon · March 20, 2013, 07:11 PM

22 short CB's was the only round that would shoot accurately in my son's Daisy 22 rifle. I had to work on the Daisy 22 to improve the trigger pull enough so he could pull the trigger. The Daisy is a single shot and just the right size for a 7 year old. I took the rifle apart and found that by using a hose clamp I was able to get the trigger pull to a reasonable level. I tried all types of 22 rim-fires and the only one that had a decent group was the 22 short CB. The others were all over the place. He did get a few squirrels with it. It was very quiet compared to regular 22lr. We also shot a lot of paper and coke cans.

I keep a lot of different boxes of 22's including 22 shorts to test 22 rim-fire rifles.

Lemmon from Rural South Carolina

cobra81 · March 20, 2013, 07:32 PM

.22 short CB's are considerably quieter than my (late) Gamo air pellet rifle.
I shoot squirrels and other pests (starlings) with those CB shorts through my Mossberg 44US rifle, and it just sounds like a "snap". Wouldn't even hear it from a house away.

Mike in Va. · March 20, 2013, 09:55 PM

When I got a Stevens, model 15A ( $11.50 ), for my 14th. birthday in 1957,
shorts were .35 cents a box, and long rifles were .50 cents a box, so I usually shot the shorts.

tdrizzle · March 20, 2013, 10:12 PM

I shoot shorts out of my Winchester model 12 pump rifle, which takes shorts, longs and LR shells. Also out of my old Charter Arms Pathfinder revolver, and a Bernardelli vest pocket auto, which only takes shorts. I imagine you could do so from any number of Ruger .22 revolvers as well.

Fun for plinking, I guess I'd use the vest pocket auto as a deep deep cover hideout, if my Beretta .22LR wasn't working. Given the size of today's semi autos in .380, you might as well carry a larger caliber for the same size pistol.

colbad · March 21, 2013, 12:18 AM

The best gun or caliber to have is the one in your hand when you need it. The .22 short in you wife's hand/pocket is better than the .44 mag at home in the safe. It comes down to a question of what are you most likely/willing to have on your person. The cci .22 short is sure better than stern words or throwing rocks. I would not be the one to volunteer taking the one hit from it.

Glenn E. Meyer · March 21, 2013, 10:21 AM

This thread motivated me to throw my NAA 22S in my jacket as a BUG to my Glock.

It's so cute.

Red Tornado · March 27, 2013, 04:25 PM

It's good for it's intended use, a belly gun. As a last ditch contact range weapon. Jam it into your attackers belly and fire. The bullet is accompanied by hot gases expanding into his guts, ostensibly causing excruciating pain. The theory is that he'll leave you alone then.
YMMV.

Strafer Gott · March 28, 2013, 05:44 PM

Like Mike I remember the shorts were a little cheaper, so a couple of nickel bottle refunds, and we were good to go hunting, as the kind soul Mr Bieler would sell us ten cents worth. Try that today! I tell you fella's, that was a DIFFERENT PLANET!

aarondhgraham · March 29, 2013, 12:40 PM

It was a Winchester pump action,,,
Model 189? and had a long octagonal barrel.

As a kid with a 50-cent a week allowance,,,
.22 short cartridges were my friend.

"Doc" at the gas station would sell me 5 cartridges for a dime,,,
That meant I picked up 5 pop bottles from the roadside,,,
Then I was set for a bunny hunt in the fields.

The .22 short rarely stopped a rabbit in it's tracks,,,
But more often than not they didn't get far.

That rifle was very accurate,,,
Dad could light kitchen matches at 25 yards,,,
It was easy to hit tin cans at 50 yards or even farther if rested.

They used to be cheaper than .22 LR,,,
I remember paying 45-cents a box in the early 1960's,,,
At that same time a box of .22 LR was going for 85-90 cents.

I keep some around now for the armadillos and possums,,,
I live in a small rural town and no one has complained to me as yet,,,
Out of my CZ-452 Special Military Trainer they seem no louder than a pellet rifle.

.

balderclev · March 29, 2013, 09:01 PM

22 short in a defensive weapon is IMO is worthless, just make some mad unless placement is good. A good placement with a 22 will drop a deer at 200 yds.

I use Eley subsonic 22's to kill beavers. 1050fps which is much quieter than a short as it is sub-sonic where a 22 short is not. Shot placement is imperative.

A 22lr or 22mag can be devastating as a defensive weapon because it can travel a long and destructive path. The key to debilitating a BG is hitting the CNS. If a bullet misses that and the TWC or PWC also does not involve then the BG may shoot back. I have seen deer shot through the heart that didn't drop immediately.

hootey · March 30, 2013, 12:07 AM

Have used thousands of win 22 shorts in the last forty years squirrel n rabbit huntin. Have an old stevens single shot that the sights are dead on at thirty to forty yards with the win 22 shorts. The bore looks better after all these years, than some of the new 22's at the LGS.
22 shorts are very useful and wally world sells a lot of them.

March 19, 2013, 11:06 PM	#26
JRH6856 Member Join Date: February 27, 2013 Location: DFW area Posts: 94	$120??? (I know what my sig line says, but geez.) __________________ NRA Life Member All calibers equalize, some calibers equalize more than others.

March 20, 2013, 06:27 AM	#29
CajunBass Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2005 Location: North Chesterfield, Virginia Posts: 4,767	I like shorts for quiet plinking. They are quieter than Long Rifle. A LR has a much sharper CRACK IMHO. I've used them for squirrels in the past. They don't seem to mind. A dead squirrel is a dead squirrel. __________________ For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (NKJV)

March 20, 2013, 08:03 AM	#30
Sport45 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 1999 Location: Too close to Houston Posts: 4,196	My Grandpa said he liked shorts because the dead squirrel always landed on the ground. Said long rifle would pass through and leave the dead squirrel in the tree.. Now, he said this in '69 or so and probably hadn't hunted for 25 years before that. I've never shot a squirrel out of a tree with anything so really can't add to or take away from what he told me back then. I do know if they didn't make .22 short I wouldn't be able to shoot the High Standard Model C pistol my dad handed down. __________________ Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.

March 20, 2013, 09:45 AM	#32
RedBowTies88 Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2011 Location: 609 NJ Posts: 705	In NJ .22s is the only legal rifle cartridge to hunt with. I use shorts often of the CCI cb varietty just in my backyard to have a little fun without upsetting the neghibors. 29g at 1000fps is nothing to laugh at, even with my low power CB's @ 710fps they still put a hurting on squirells and rabbits __________________ "...with liberty and justice for all." (Must be 21. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. Not available in all states.)

March 20, 2013, 07:11 PM	#34
Lemmon Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2009 Location: Rural South Carolina Posts: 445	22 short CB's was the only round.... 22 short CB's was the only round that would shoot accurately in my son's Daisy 22 rifle. I had to work on the Daisy 22 to improve the trigger pull enough so he could pull the trigger. The Daisy is a single shot and just the right size for a 7 year old. I took the rifle apart and found that by using a hose clamp I was able to get the trigger pull to a reasonable level. I tried all types of 22 rim-fires and the only one that had a decent group was the 22 short CB. The others were all over the place. He did get a few squirrels with it. It was very quiet compared to regular 22lr. We also shot a lot of paper and coke cans. I keep a lot of different boxes of 22's including 22 shorts to test 22 rim-fire rifles. Lemmon from Rural South Carolina

March 19, 2013, 11:33 PM	#27
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	I use 'em to shoot the rats that occaisonally show up under the bird feeders. No noise, doesn't penetrate through the varmint, and kills 'em in short order.

March 20, 2013, 09:23 AM	#31
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	FWIW, I typically buy .22 shorts at Walmart - more expensive than bulk .22 longs, but still reasonably priced.....well, last batch I bought was 4 months ago.

March 20, 2013, 07:32 PM	#35
cobra81 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 336	.22 short CB's are considerably quieter than my (late) Gamo air pellet rifle. I shoot squirrels and other pests (starlings) with those CB shorts through my Mossberg 44US rifle, and it just sounds like a "snap". Wouldn't even hear it from a house away.

March 20, 2013, 09:55 PM	#36
Mike in Va. Member Join Date: November 2, 2009 Location: Hurt,Virginia Posts: 23	When I got a Stevens, model 15A ( $11.50 ), for my 14th. birthday in 1957, shorts were .35 cents a box, and long rifles were .50 cents a box, so I usually shot the shorts.

March 20, 2013, 10:12 PM	#37
tdrizzle Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2007 Location: St Paul Posts: 209	I shoot shorts out of my Winchester model 12 pump rifle, which takes shorts, longs and LR shells. Also out of my old Charter Arms Pathfinder revolver, and a Bernardelli vest pocket auto, which only takes shorts. I imagine you could do so from any number of Ruger .22 revolvers as well. Fun for plinking, I guess I'd use the vest pocket auto as a deep deep cover hideout, if my Beretta .22LR wasn't working. Given the size of today's semi autos in .380, you might as well carry a larger caliber for the same size pistol.

March 21, 2013, 12:18 AM	#38
colbad Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2012 Posts: 506	The best gun or caliber to have is the one in your hand when you need it. The .22 short in you wife's hand/pocket is better than the .44 mag at home in the safe. It comes down to a question of what are you most likely/willing to have on your person. The cci .22 short is sure better than stern words or throwing rocks. I would not be the one to volunteer taking the one hit from it.

March 21, 2013, 10:21 AM	#39
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	This thread motivated me to throw my NAA 22S in my jacket as a BUG to my Glock. It's so cute. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

March 27, 2013, 04:25 PM	#40
Red Tornado Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 226	It's good for it's intended use, a belly gun. As a last ditch contact range weapon. Jam it into your attackers belly and fire. The bullet is accompanied by hot gases expanding into his guts, ostensibly causing excruciating pain. The theory is that he'll leave you alone then. YMMV.

March 28, 2013, 05:44 PM	#41
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	Like Mike I remember the shorts were a little cheaper, so a couple of nickel bottle refunds, and we were good to go hunting, as the kind soul Mr Bieler would sell us ten cents worth. Try that today! I tell you fella's, that was a DIFFERENT PLANET!

March 29, 2013, 12:40 PM	#42
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	My first rifle was chambered for .22 short only,,, It was a Winchester pump action,,, Model 189? and had a long octagonal barrel. As a kid with a 50-cent a week allowance,,, .22 short cartridges were my friend. "Doc" at the gas station would sell me 5 cartridges for a dime,,, That meant I picked up 5 pop bottles from the roadside,,, Then I was set for a bunny hunt in the fields. The .22 short rarely stopped a rabbit in it's tracks,,, But more often than not they didn't get far. That rifle was very accurate,,, Dad could light kitchen matches at 25 yards,,, It was easy to hit tin cans at 50 yards or even farther if rested. They used to be cheaper than .22 LR,,, I remember paying 45-cents a box in the early 1960's,,, At that same time a box of .22 LR was going for 85-90 cents. I keep some around now for the armadillos and possums,,, I live in a small rural town and no one has complained to me as yet,,, Out of my CZ-452 Special Military Trainer they seem no louder than a pellet rifle. . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

March 29, 2013, 09:01 PM	#43
balderclev Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2013 Location: Benton, Arkansas Posts: 120	22 short in a defensive weapon is IMO is worthless, just make some mad unless placement is good. A good placement with a 22 will drop a deer at 200 yds. I use Eley subsonic 22's to kill beavers. 1050fps which is much quieter than a short as it is sub-sonic where a 22 short is not. Shot placement is imperative. A 22lr or 22mag can be devastating as a defensive weapon because it can travel a long and destructive path. The key to debilitating a BG is hitting the CNS. If a bullet misses that and the TWC or PWC also does not involve then the BG may shoot back. I have seen deer shot through the heart that didn't drop immediately. Last edited by balderclev; March 30, 2013 at 09:42 AM.

March 30, 2013, 12:07 AM	#44
hootey Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: Greater Northwest Posts: 244	Have used thousands of win 22 shorts in the last forty years squirrel n rabbit huntin. Have an old stevens single shot that the sights are dead on at thirty to forty yards with the win 22 shorts. The bore looks better after all these years, than some of the new 22's at the LGS. 22 shorts are very useful and wally world sells a lot of them.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search