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September 27, 2009, 06:50 PM | #26 |
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remington 870 and mossberg 500 are cheap. get one type of model, and then get barrels and stocks and fore ends to swap out and make them like something else. after all the extra barrels and furniture, it becomes affordable.
those are pumps. if there was a reliable semi that had swappable barrels and stocks and fore ends, id recommend that one, but i dont know of any. i have a benelli m4 with a 6" briley barrel extender and an improved mod choke. it lets me hit clay out to 40 yards
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very nice........is the wood original? I have an 1100 with a butt stock like that.....gotta love good wood compared to black plastic...... WELL DONE
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September 27, 2009, 06:56 PM | #30 |
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The wood is original, my Dad gave it to me 10 years ago after he dropped my A-Bolt (7mm-08) down a mountain...
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OUCH!....got a model 7 in 7-08 - great caliber.......but looks like you got a good deal!....how does it shoot?
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September 27, 2009, 07:07 PM | #32 |
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.75-1MOA if I do my part.. Figuring out the placement of the BOSS is a bugger if you switch loads often. I finally broke down and took about 20 boxes of ammo and a camera to the range. I sighted them all in individually, counting my clicks and recording them for each load. Then I started adjusting the BOSS for tightest group. Took a picture of the BOSS placement and set the scope and BOSS back to zero... Took a long time, but I've got good data for that gun and all the factory ammo I use.
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I remember when that BOSS was "the thing" according to the gun mag writers.......never bought one - do you think it works worth anything or is it hype?
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September 27, 2009, 07:18 PM | #34 | |
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and to NOT TOTALLY veer this thread - this is from another forum, from someone that only shoots SxS, but the information is first rate:
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It turns a 3.5" 200yd group to a <2" group. The one down-side is increased noise levels, but you don't really notice it from one or two shots in the field. A worthy investment IMO, even if you have to have a smith install one, definitely worth it.
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awesome - my little 18-1/2 barrel does OK, but it isn't a tackdriver - good enough for deer or elk though......glad to hear the caliber is capable of more than I can do!
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FWIW, that BAR is a .30/06...
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September 28, 2009, 02:33 PM | #38 |
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Sorry for the confusion. I have never owned a shotgun. Have shot 410 and 20 gauge when I was younger. Looking primarily for home defense. May wish to try my hand at skeet and/or Deer Hunting in the future.
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Then before you go buy one, you might want to go to a shotgun club and try some models for that trap/skeet down the road. You might also check out some of the other shotgun venues - 3-gun, etc. to see if you can rent/borrow one and try their course out to see which might be the best alternative for you
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September 28, 2009, 02:40 PM | #40 |
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i'll reiterate. remington 870. it has a lot of after market parts for swapping out components for the task at hand: 28" barrel and a traditional wood stock and forend for clay and hunting, to a 18" barrel with a synthetic pistol grip stock with a synth foreend for HD. I think everything included would run you 400 tops.
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September 28, 2009, 02:57 PM | #41 |
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Thanks again for all of the advice. I appreciate it. And, sorry one more for any confusion.
I am awaiting an orientation at a local private gun club, so hopefully I will be able to narrow down my choice after that. |
September 28, 2009, 03:16 PM | #42 |
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Does the club rent any firearms?
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September 28, 2009, 03:16 PM | #43 |
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If you have a $300 or a $20.000 shotgun or any gun and you can hit what you aim at whats the big deal. I buy what I like and can afford and still can shoot as good as the next guy. But the edge will be to the guy with the most money but so what I JUST enjoy shooting
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The reason I mentioned a 12ga. pump is because, regardless of brand, it is a fairly straight-forward weapon in terms of its use, is quite forgiving and is certainly powerful enough and versatile enough (given the various 12 ga. loads available) for almost any use. Now, autoloaders are also an option. But, they can be a bit more finicky when it comes to ammo selection. In addition, the mechanism(s) they use can prove a bit daunting and/or frustrating to a newcomer (but, not to a huge degree perhaps). Regardless of what you eventually end up with, once you enter the world of shotguns, Im sure you will find that one shotgun may not be nearly enough! Keep us posted and enjoy the search....
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September 29, 2009, 01:43 PM | #45 |
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The term "all-purpose" is specific, but "affordable" is a subjective term that means different things to different folks. For me, when I'm talking about guns, my idea of "affordable" is a couple of hundred bucks. That doesn't mean I couldn't pay $20,000 for a shotgun, it just means that I wouldn't; not while in my part of the South, I can still buy decent, habitable rental houses or small tree farms, or tracts of cutover timber for that kind of money.
Here's my idea of an affordable all purpose shotgun: I just bought a classic John Browning- designed Remington Model 11, in very good to excellent condition for $200. Depending on the ammo I shoot, it should be good for anything from upland birds to geese. I could probably use it for deer hunting with slugs. It was manufactured in 1938, and it's a little heavy by todays standards, and it kicks like a heavyweight, but for HD it will fire 5 rounds about as quickly as I can point it and pull the trigger. Of course,I can plug it for hunting. It's a very well made gun, with checkered stock and hunting roll mark, and I could probably sell it tomorrow morning for as much or more than I paid for it. It will probably last another 71 years, and as time goes by, I'll bet that it'll be worth a lot more than $200. |
September 29, 2009, 02:32 PM | #46 |
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All purpose means to me it can do many things but few well. I like the 870 with a 20" barrel w/chokes. Rifle sights can be over looked or looked past when going for birds. I used my 870 with IC choke for upland birds and it worked pretty darn good. Just change your choke for what you need.
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But a valid question was raised and it really helps to be a little more specific. Some people just do skeet, I shoot turkey and practice HD drills, others are rabbit hunters and others are goose busters, no two of us have the same shotgun but any shotgun we have can be used with varying degree's of success at the other guys sport. You mentioned a club and that is your source for information. Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays, a mixture? See what the old timers are using and ask them why. Gun guys like to talk about their guns, might even have a few shotguns scattered around among the club members that they no longer use and might be willing to let go for less than blood money to get a newbie started.
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October 1, 2009, 09:34 PM | #48 |
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All purpose choice you say... probably a 12 guage with a combo barrel for shot and slug, and this will suffice for hunting needs. At least this way you don't have to switch back N-forth and shell out for the extra barrels. And as far as Home defense goes...just let someone get in front of it just once for the wrong purpose..and you will see how effective any shotgun will be.
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You'll get a lot of opinions on this one: my preference for an all purpose shotgun is one that has a 21" vent rib barrel. That way it can be used to hunt and is still short enough to be a truck gun or home defense gun. YMMV
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October 2, 2009, 11:04 AM | #50 |
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Consider a browning BPS?
There are many things I like about mine. It's a solid and well built pump gun that over the years has been used to take almost anything that can be taken with a shotgun pheasants, ducks, geese, turkey, deer, and wild boar. It's also a truly ambidextrous gun which lefties like me love but certainly fits "all purpose" pretty well. Browning makes a variety of barrels that interchange from rifled slug barrels to shorts for home defense.
I have had mine since 83 and have down right abused it at times and it's never given me so much as a hiccup. The barrels themselves can get a bit pricey but I've used the stock 26inch on mine to to take everything listed above. You can pick up the gun istelf new for under $500. You can also find them used for $400 or less. |
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