March 17, 2013, 11:14 AM | #2726 | |
Staff
Join Date: September 27, 2008
Location: Foothills of the Appalachians
Posts: 13,057
|
The most shocking thing about the Fox article is the quote from Holder:
Quote:
__________________
Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe |
|
March 17, 2013, 02:29 PM | #2727 |
Member
Join Date: January 7, 2013
Posts: 74
|
That is a pretty revealing statement.
Let's hope that his respect for them will be forced upon him, and SOON. |
March 17, 2013, 02:31 PM | #2728 |
Senior Member
Join Date: February 15, 2009
Posts: 298
|
The problem with the Attorney General being found in criminal contempt of Congress is that there's SFA Congress can do about it. They have no enforcement powers; that's the Executive Branch's territory. And Holder works for the Executive Branch.
Most that Congress can do is cut off funding, since they hold the purse strings. |
March 17, 2013, 03:01 PM | #2729 |
Member
Join Date: January 7, 2013
Posts: 74
|
Hehe. Can they cut off his salary and medical insurance?
|
March 17, 2013, 06:39 PM | #2730 |
Staff
Join Date: July 28, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8,815
|
I'm simply amazed that mediation is still on the table. Silly me, I thought once you subpoenaed something, you were past the point of negotiating over its production.
__________________
I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some. |
March 17, 2013, 07:02 PM | #2731 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 20, 2007
Location: South Western OK
Posts: 3,112
|
Quote:
i cant believe that Issa and Grassley are not all over this. One source refers to Holder's contempt citation as "hollow political theatre". |
|
March 17, 2013, 08:34 PM | #2732 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 20, 2007
Location: S.E. Minnesota
Posts: 4,720
|
Quote:
The thing is, Issa and Grassley are just posturing (if they meant business they would have acted a long time ago) and the rest of Congressional Republicans are just humoring them.
__________________
"Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire!" —Lucille Bluth Last edited by Evan Thomas; March 17, 2013 at 08:48 PM. Reason: language. |
|
April 26, 2013, 08:14 AM | #2733 | |||
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: June 29, 2000
Location: Rupert, Idaho
Posts: 9,660
|
Contrary to popular belief, the debacle over Fast & Furious is not dead.
From a report by David Workman in an Examiner article: What is president hiding about Fast & Furious? David starts his column with: Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
April 26, 2013, 10:04 AM | #2734 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 17, 2007
Location: Cowtown of course!
Posts: 1,747
|
Al, thanks for keeping us up to date on this.
I was hoping this wasn't going to slip quietly into the night.
__________________
NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearms Safety, Pistol and Rifle Instructor “Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life......” President John F. Kennedy |
April 26, 2013, 10:08 AM | #2735 |
Staff
Join Date: July 28, 2010
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8,815
|
I'd been wondering if anything was ever going to crop up on this again. I'd sure like to see more action on it, but I am (quite frankly) just relieved that it isn't totally dead.
__________________
I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some. |
April 26, 2013, 10:10 AM | #2736 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 15, 2007
Location: Outside KC, MO
Posts: 10,128
|
I guess Ian Gershengorn never heard of Marbury v Madison.
|
May 20, 2013, 08:49 PM | #2737 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 18, 2012
Posts: 389
|
Quote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...histle-blower/ Another article, and a link to the report: http://www.examiner.com/article/gras...-whistleblower http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2013/s1305.pdf It may be that with 3 scandals going - Benghazi, IRS and the AP scandal, that news agencies who glossed over this in years past will take a more serious look at what really happened. I think the administration and Holder especially has lost credibility, with the public but especially the media. Maybe the fact that the president claimed executive privilege will get more coverage... |
|
May 20, 2013, 09:29 PM | #2738 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 20, 2007
Location: South Western OK
Posts: 3,112
|
IMO: Little, if anything, will ever be done about Operation Fast and Furious. After the election was over congress promptly forgot about F&F.
|
May 20, 2013, 09:29 PM | #2739 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Orange, TX
Posts: 3,078
|
Quote:
|
|
May 22, 2013, 07:13 AM | #2740 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 28, 2004
Location: Silicon Valley, Ca
Posts: 7,117
|
I suspect that if Burke is disbarred that will open the door to prosecution under the Whistleblower protection act. But I don't expect Eric (with)Holder to rush that prosecution or assign it to any truly competent attorney.
__________________
BillCA in CA (Unfortunately) |
May 22, 2013, 09:54 AM | #2741 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Orange, TX
Posts: 3,078
|
That's exactly the point. DoJ is the only federal entity with the authority to bring criminal charges.
|
May 22, 2013, 12:31 PM | #2742 | ||
Staff
Join Date: September 27, 2008
Location: Foothills of the Appalachians
Posts: 13,057
|
Quote:
Quote:
Sorry, but Issa and Grassley blew it. The matter is effectively done.
__________________
Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe |
||
May 22, 2013, 02:19 PM | #2743 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Orange, TX
Posts: 3,078
|
Quote:
I think Grassley and Issa made a good faith effort in pursuit of a conclusion, but were left to hang out to dry because it didn't fit into the "brilliant" GOP national campaign strategy. Quote:
|
||
May 22, 2013, 02:24 PM | #2744 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 15, 2007
Location: Outside KC, MO
Posts: 10,128
|
The matter was effectively dead in the water, but IRS and tax exempts, EPA and FOIA bias, DOJ and AP/Fox/CBS collections, DOJ and whistlevlower harassment, and Benghazi (with new possible reporting that State gave Stinger missiles to Libyan insurgents, not realizing they were AQ-aligned) may well have breathed new life into F&F.
|
May 22, 2013, 02:39 PM | #2745 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 24, 2008
Location: Orange, TX
Posts: 3,078
|
Quote:
|
|
May 22, 2013, 02:42 PM | #2746 | |
Staff
Join Date: September 27, 2008
Location: Foothills of the Appalachians
Posts: 13,057
|
Quote:
The fact is, the Oval Office effectively insulated themselves, and the possibility of prosecuting those who actually engineered and carried out the operation (Voth, Gillette, McAllister) went out the window when executive privilege was invoked. Sure, there was a bit of scandal. Sure, some folks quit or got reassigned. But nobody got charged or prosecuted. They should have gone after the Phoenix Division first, gotten a few folks to roll, then gone up the chain. Instead, they wanted to implicate the entire executive branch, and they failed.
__________________
Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe |
|
May 22, 2013, 04:59 PM | #2747 |
Senior Member
Join Date: July 26, 2005
Location: The Bluegrass
Posts: 9,135
|
They couldn't go after the Phoenix division and get a few to roll. They have no power but of the purse and a light to shine in dark places. They shined the light but most folks closed their eyes.
|
May 22, 2013, 05:29 PM | #2748 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 20, 2007
Location: South Western OK
Posts: 3,112
|
Quote:
It soon became evident that Fast and Furious was the brainchild of the Phoenix division of the BATFE and an anti-gun federal prosecutor. The Phoenix BATFE was an out of control government office managed by rogues who sold Fast and Furious to their agency bosses: Grassley and Issa never got behind this fact. In their zeal to implicate Holder and the administration, they turned their investigation into a hunt for who knew what when. They failed miserably. IMO: The greatest mistake of Grassley and Issa was their failure to demand a reorganization of the BATFE. After the contempt citation Fast and Furious became a dead duck, as i predicted. Last edited by thallub; May 22, 2013 at 05:38 PM. |
|
May 23, 2013, 09:57 AM | #2749 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 18, 2012
Posts: 389
|
'Fast and Furious' Scandal Returns to Haunt Obama
This is old news, the same thing that was reported by Fox and the Examiner. But it's being reported in Business Week, and with a twist - how the Obama Administration "enmeshes itself [sic] in failures"
I'm just posting this because I think my earlier prediction is coming true - news agencies who went easy on Fast & Furious previously are willing to take a second look at it, and publish a story on it, even if the main point of the "story" is pointing out the administration has a problem with being scandal ridden. http://www.businessweek.com/articles...to-haunt-obama I also think that there were some news agencies who basically defended F&F - by publishing the administrations claims without challenging any of it Some news agencies helped the administration simply by not publishing stories on F&F I think it will be rare now for a news organization to defend F&F, what remains to be seen is how many news agencies that ignored the story in the past will give it attention now, and the real issue IMO is how many news agencies will actually aggressively pursue the story now. |
July 7, 2013, 08:51 AM | #2750 |
Staff
Join Date: October 13, 2001
Posts: 3,355
|
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,2692834.story
Reported facts: Another Fast and Furious gun (a WASR) was used to kill Luis Lucio Rosales Astorga, a police chief in Hostotipaquillo, Jalisco, Mexico, on January 29th, 2013. Assailants blocked his vehicle, killed the chief and one bodyguard, and injured the chief's wife and another bodyguard. This is apparently notable for how far south of the border it was.
__________________
“The egg hatched...” “...the egg hatched... and a hundred baby spiders came out...” (blade runner) “Who are you?” “A friend. I'm here to prevent you from making a mistake.” “You have no idea what I'm doing here, friend.” “In specific terms, no, but I swore an oath to protect the world...” (continuum) “It's a goal you won't understand until later. Your job is to make sure he doesn't achieve the goal.” (bsg) |
Tags |
atf , fast and furious |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|