Soviet PU 91/30 Scope Help Identification

isupportthenra · February 16, 2015, 09:53 PM

Hello, I have a Progress manufactured Soviet PU 91/30 Scope. There is no year of manufacture stamped which leads me to believe 1943 or 1944.
The serial number is what throws me off. N4-942979. From my research N4 shouldn't be a prefix. And the serial number is quite a bit higher than anyone that I have ever seen. The 4 in the prefix is written different than the 4 in the serial number and I found that as another thing to note.
Great condition scope, very clear. I also have the leather lens covers and the green canvas scope cover with it.
Here is a link to some pictures of it.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bez9m399z...nYmsgUQTa?dl=0
I have been debating about selling it or holding onto it for more years to come and decided to learn a bit more about it.
Any idea on when it was manufactured and any explanation for the serial number prefix and such a high serial number?
Thanks in advance for any help provided

SycoPath · February 17, 2015, 06:12 PM

After a quick look at my two Progress scopes, one on a Tula and the other on an Izhevsk (both 1943 rifles), I noticed one thing that has been known to indicate fake scopes. The screws on your scopes turrets have flat heads. As far as I know, round head screws are used on the real scopes. Both of my scopes have round heads.

You can go here:
http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdis...osin-Nagant-HQ

Or here (try here first):
http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdis...er-Rifle-Forum

Lots of info in the 'stickies'.

emcon5 · February 18, 2015, 08:01 PM

Here is a detail shot of the reproduction PU that came on a Century repro sniper a few years ago:

Same N4 prefix.

Here is a real PU from a Classic Arms Tula:

Look how the screws are different. Not saying yours is a fake, but the screws are one of the warning signs.

mapsjanhere · February 19, 2015, 10:25 AM

BTW the 4 in the prefix is not the number 4 but one of the letters of the Cyrillic alphabet.
If you compare yours to this https://apexgunparts.com/product_inf...oducts_id/3833 scope marked as modern production, you notice it's virtually identical, including the flat screws and the lack of the numeral 0 in the prefix.

emcon5 · February 19, 2015, 04:49 PM

Where did you get the scope?

emcon5 · February 26, 2015, 07:07 PM

I guess he didn't care for the answer.....

February 16, 2015, 09:53 PM	#1
isupportthenra Junior Member Join Date: November 3, 2014 Posts: 11	Soviet PU 91/30 Scope Help Identification Hello, I have a Progress manufactured Soviet PU 91/30 Scope. There is no year of manufacture stamped which leads me to believe 1943 or 1944. The serial number is what throws me off. N4-942979. From my research N4 shouldn't be a prefix. And the serial number is quite a bit higher than anyone that I have ever seen. The 4 in the prefix is written different than the 4 in the serial number and I found that as another thing to note. Great condition scope, very clear. I also have the leather lens covers and the green canvas scope cover with it. Here is a link to some pictures of it. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bez9m399z...nYmsgUQTa?dl=0 I have been debating about selling it or holding onto it for more years to come and decided to learn a bit more about it. Any idea on when it was manufactured and any explanation for the serial number prefix and such a high serial number? Thanks in advance for any help provided

February 17, 2015, 06:12 PM	#2
SycoPath Member Join Date: June 29, 2012 Location: Emerald City Posts: 28	After a quick look at my two Progress scopes, one on a Tula and the other on an Izhevsk (both 1943 rifles), I noticed one thing that has been known to indicate fake scopes. The screws on your scopes turrets have flat heads. As far as I know, round head screws are used on the real scopes. Both of my scopes have round heads. You can go here: http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdis...osin-Nagant-HQ Or here (try here first): http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdis...er-Rifle-Forum Lots of info in the 'stickies'. __________________ "Sometimes it's better to be silent and only look stupid than to say something that proves it."

February 19, 2015, 10:25 AM	#4
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	BTW the 4 in the prefix is not the number 4 but one of the letters of the Cyrillic alphabet. If you compare yours to this https://apexgunparts.com/product_inf...oducts_id/3833 scope marked as modern production, you notice it's virtually identical, including the flat screws and the lack of the numeral 0 in the prefix. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying. Last edited by mapsjanhere; February 19, 2015 at 10:35 AM.

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February 18, 2015, 08:01 PM	#3
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Here is a detail shot of the reproduction PU that came on a Century repro sniper a few years ago: Same N4 prefix. Here is a real PU from a Classic Arms Tula: Look how the screws are different. Not saying yours is a fake, but the screws are one of the warning signs.

February 19, 2015, 04:49 PM	#5
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	Where did you get the scope?

February 26, 2015, 07:07 PM	#6
emcon5 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 1999 Location: High Desert NV Posts: 2,850	I guess he didn't care for the answer.....