50 cal kentucky rifle

long rider · December 21, 2009, 05:14 PM

I would be looking for info on a 50 cal kentucky
rifle from traditions made in spain, what i would like
to no if anyone of you guys as one or had one, i
would like to know how eszay it it to take out
the breech plug ? or is it a big deal, i would like
some help on this one guys thanks.

arcticap · December 21, 2009, 06:24 PM

I'm sure that people have removed them but not unless it's really necessary.
The hooked tang can get bent and damaged, and the breech plug may not get screwed back into the same exact location causing the barrel to not line up in the stock properly.
Plus the Traditions lifetime warranty will be void.
So there are right methods and wrong methods to use.
What's the matter with the barrel that leads you to want to remove it?

spitpatch · December 21, 2009, 06:32 PM

No reason to take the breach plug out!! I wonder why you would want to.

simonkenton · December 21, 2009, 07:19 PM

You are confusing the inline with the Kentucky style.
No need to remove the breech plug from the old-time rifles.

Pahoo · December 21, 2009, 07:22 PM

I have only removed one quite a few years ago and learned a good lesson.
Although it can be done, there's more than one reason not to. You may never get rid of the tool marks from working the plug. I'm sure you are seeing something in there that bothers you but try other ways other than removing this plug.

Be Safe !!!

TomADC · December 21, 2009, 07:22 PM

I don't have their Kentucky but do own one of their Hawkens in .50 cal O really like it, good shooter and groups better than I can shoot.

long rider · December 21, 2009, 07:47 PM

OK thanks guys, i just got this rifle and i took it apart
to clean it, but did not mess with the plug, so i was just
wondering about it thats all, buts thats me i allways like
to take thing apart just to see how it works, so having
said that i will let it be,so i will take it out for a test run
tomorrow thanks.

Pahoo · December 21, 2009, 07:59 PM

I have heard folks say that in-lines are easier to clean than side locks. Not really but in-lines are more accessible. After one of our classes, I have to clean both and the Side-Lock takes less time to clean than the in-line but all surfaces on the in-line that came in contact with powder, are cleaned per visual inspection. Once borrowed a bore scope from work and did not like what I saw in the bottom of one of my SideLocks. Used ones are the worse.:barf:

Be Safe !!!

long rider · December 21, 2009, 08:09 PM

Thats what i was wondering about, how to clean deep
down to the breech plug, with me been used to pistols
and not muzzle loaders, so having said that i can get me
some long cleaning rods and jags and bore cleaner and
go to work when i have smoked some black down that
bore, so some techniqes on how you guys clean your
side locks, not inlines thanks.

Pahoo · December 21, 2009, 08:35 PM

They make scrapers shaped for that bottom cup and brushes. I have a SS, brass and nylon bush that will conture to the bottom and clean most of that out. Seated rust is harder to remove but you have to work at it. Stay with it and remember that this area is where most of the dirty work is done. I have a used Orphaned Hawken Model that came back to me and I'm still showing rust from this pocket ... Oh well !!

Be Safe !!!

long rider · December 21, 2009, 08:47 PM

I know that windex is good for cleaning bp, i have
used it on my pistols, i got myself some #13 bore
cleaner, this rife is new so i am the first to shoot
it, so if i keep on top of it it should stay clean at
the breech plug end, right?.

FrontierGander · December 21, 2009, 08:55 PM

how to clean the sidelock.

I have the kentucky but in flintlock, love it! Its my baby.
http://thepowerbeltforum.powerguild....-have-t358.htm

long rider · December 21, 2009, 09:06 PM

FT cool, one QS why not bore butter in the bore???

FrontierGander · December 21, 2009, 10:33 PM

poor bore protection and over time it will build up causing accuracy issues. I tried it years ago in an Inline and the bore was rusted badly after a week of storage.

Im currently testing it out again but using a different method.

TomADC · December 21, 2009, 11:59 PM

I just went thru a rusted barrel in my Zouve , I cleaned it good then run a few patches down the barrel coated with Bore Butter, another board had a thread about rusting barrels coated with bore butter, I checked mine and sure enough rust.
I gave it a good cleaning, and used gun oil for storage from now on, and before I shoot a couple of patches to remove the oil and I'll be good to go.
Oh I bought one of those square tip breach plug scrapers that attach to my cleaning rod I find that works well to keep that area clean.

long rider · December 22, 2009, 09:02 PM

Gosh darn it, now i have to clean it allover again now.

December 21, 2009, 06:24 PM	#2
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	I'm sure that people have removed them but not unless it's really necessary. The hooked tang can get bent and damaged, and the breech plug may not get screwed back into the same exact location causing the barrel to not line up in the stock properly. Plus the Traditions lifetime warranty will be void. So there are right methods and wrong methods to use. What's the matter with the barrel that leads you to want to remove it? Last edited by arcticap; December 21, 2009 at 11:24 PM.

December 21, 2009, 07:47 PM	#7
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	OK thanks guys, i just got this rifle and i took it apart to clean it, but did not mess with the plug, so i was just wondering about it thats all, buts thats me i allways like to take thing apart just to see how it works, so having said that i will let it be,so i will take it out for a test run tomorrow thanks. __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.

December 21, 2009, 08:09 PM	#9
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	Thats what i was wondering about, how to clean deep down to the breech plug, with me been used to pistols and not muzzle loaders, so having said that i can get me some long cleaning rods and jags and bore cleaner and go to work when i have smoked some black down that bore, so some techniqes on how you guys clean your side locks, not inlines thanks. __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.

December 21, 2009, 08:47 PM	#11
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	I know that windex is good for cleaning bp, i have used it on my pistols, i got myself some #13 bore cleaner, this rife is new so i am the first to shoot it, so if i keep on top of it it should stay clean at the breech plug end, right?. __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.

December 21, 2009, 08:55 PM	#12
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	how to clean the sidelock. I have the kentucky but in flintlock, love it! Its my baby. http://thepowerbeltforum.powerguild....-have-t358.htm __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

December 21, 2009, 05:14 PM	#1
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	50 cal kentucky rifle I would be looking for info on a 50 cal kentucky rifle from traditions made in spain, what i would like to no if anyone of you guys as one or had one, i would like to know how eszay it it to take out the breech plug ? or is it a big deal, i would like some help on this one guys thanks. __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.

December 21, 2009, 06:32 PM	#3
spitpatch Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 171	No reason to take the breach plug out!! I wonder why you would want to.

December 21, 2009, 07:19 PM	#4
simonkenton Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2008 Posts: 891	You are confusing the inline with the Kentucky style. No need to remove the breech plug from the old-time rifles.

December 21, 2009, 07:22 PM	#5
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	I have only removed one quite a few years ago and learned a good lesson. Although it can be done, there's more than one reason not to. You may never get rid of the tool marks from working the plug. I'm sure you are seeing something in there that bothers you but try other ways other than removing this plug. Be Safe !!!

December 21, 2009, 07:22 PM	#6
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	I don't have their Kentucky but do own one of their Hawkens in .50 cal O really like it, good shooter and groups better than I can shoot.

December 21, 2009, 07:59 PM	#8
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	I have heard folks say that in-lines are easier to clean than side locks. Not really but in-lines are more accessible. After one of our classes, I have to clean both and the Side-Lock takes less time to clean than the in-line but all surfaces on the in-line that came in contact with powder, are cleaned per visual inspection. Once borrowed a bore scope from work and did not like what I saw in the bottom of one of my SideLocks. Used ones are the worse.:barf: Be Safe !!!

December 21, 2009, 08:35 PM	#10
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	They make scrapers shaped for that bottom cup and brushes. I have a SS, brass and nylon bush that will conture to the bottom and clean most of that out. Seated rust is harder to remove but you have to work at it. Stay with it and remember that this area is where most of the dirty work is done. I have a used Orphaned Hawken Model that came back to me and I'm still showing rust from this pocket ... Oh well !! Be Safe !!!

December 21, 2009, 09:06 PM	#13
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	FT cool, one QS why not bore butter in the bore??? __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.

December 21, 2009, 10:33 PM	#14
FrontierGander Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2009 Location: Boncarbo,Colorado Posts: 651	poor bore protection and over time it will build up causing accuracy issues. I tried it years ago in an Inline and the bore was rusted badly after a week of storage. Im currently testing it out again but using a different method. __________________ https://buckskinsbp.blogspot.com/

December 21, 2009, 11:59 PM	#15
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	Bore Butter & storage I just went thru a rusted barrel in my Zouve , I cleaned it good then run a few patches down the barrel coated with Bore Butter, another board had a thread about rusting barrels coated with bore butter, I checked mine and sure enough rust. I gave it a good cleaning, and used gun oil for storage from now on, and before I shoot a couple of patches to remove the oil and I'll be good to go. Oh I bought one of those square tip breach plug scrapers that attach to my cleaning rod I find that works well to keep that area clean.

December 22, 2009, 09:02 PM	#16
long rider Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2008 Posts: 669	Gosh darn it, now i have to clean it allover again now. __________________ Sod Buster Tried To Pull On Willson.