My body, my choice (Article)

jimpeel · November 22, 2012, 11:57 AM

This woman has it all together. She makes her points lucidly and factually. More women need to think like her.

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But the Second Amendment applies to us all, “the people”, not just men. So as a woman, I want to state my feelings about this amendment and what rights I believe it bestows on me:

I have the right to defend myself, no matter what the “weapon.”
I have the right to defend my children, my grandchildren and any other loved ones.
I have the right to carry my defense wherever I go, not restricted (and in danger of being victimized) based on another person’s fear or lack of knowledge.
I have the right to be free of intimidation, ridicule, bias, discrimination and judgment from those who disagree with my stand or are simply uneducated and ignorant of the facts about gun ownership, self-defense, and safety.

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TheNatureBoy · November 22, 2012, 03:10 PM

Pressing "like" button.

Buzzcook · November 22, 2012, 03:42 PM

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I have the right to be free of intimidation, ridicule, bias, discrimination and judgment from those who disagree with my stand or are simply uneducated and ignorant of the facts about gun ownership, self-defense, and safety.

Well, except for physical intimidation, not that part.

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no matter what the “weapon.”

That one needs a dependent clause. Area weapons should be frowned upon.

HiBC · November 22, 2012, 03:43 PM

This link will get you a you tube animation of a woman explaining why she carries.I think it is well done...and,it applies to why anyone might carry,not only women.

http://youtu.be/NuLoVaGaa3w

tekarra · November 22, 2012, 04:03 PM

Very succinctly stated.

SPEMack618 · November 22, 2012, 04:32 PM

While my sister is placated with turkey, I am going to drag her in front of the computer and make her read that word for word.

Warrior1256 · November 22, 2012, 07:54 PM

My wife feels exactly the same way as do I. This lady has my utmost respect.

Dr Big Bird PhD · November 23, 2012, 01:17 AM

marriage potential

Nathan · November 23, 2012, 08:04 AM

Pretty good. i like'd it.

Brian Pfleuger · November 23, 2012, 09:10 AM

Well, I hate to poop on her parade but it's pet peeve of mine when people claim "rights" that don't exist.

While I agree with her over-all point, she does not have a right to be free of ridicule or judgement. Quite the opposite, in fact. Others have every right to ridicule and judge her. It might be no more palatable than a KKK convention, but they have the right.

JerryM · November 23, 2012, 09:18 AM

[While I agree with her over-all point, she does not have a right to be free of ridicule or judgement. Quite the opposite, in fact. Others have every right to ridicule and judge her. It might be no more palatable than a KKK convention, but they have the right.]

Agree.
If she uses deadly force over that "right" she will find herself in prison.
Jerry

jimpeel · November 23, 2012, 12:50 PM

Reading far too much into this, guys.

You went from her assertion of a self-endowed right to her using deadly force against someone for "ridicule, bias, discrimination and judgment from those who disagree with [her] stand or are simply uneducated and ignorant of the facts about gun ownership, self-defense, and safety."

As for the other part where she asserts a right against intimidation -- if that intimidation is a guy standing over her with a ball bat, or other threatening device, she should use whatever force is necessary to stop that intimidation.

Brian Pfleuger · November 23, 2012, 01:07 PM

I made no association to use of force against those things. I'm simply pointing out that she DOES NOT have the right to be "free of.." those things. I don't like it when people try to make everything into a right. Rights are special. Not being bothered, annoyed, critiqued, made fun of, ridiculed, judged, etc, is not a "right".

jimpeel · November 23, 2012, 01:32 PM

Clarifying:

You (Brian Pfleuger) went from her assertion of a self-endowed right to (JerryM) her using deadly force against someone ...

I agree with you about her self endowed rights. I thought it was a bit over the top to assert that she might use deadly force to enforce those rights.

HiBC · November 24, 2012, 09:21 PM

I'm all in favor of armed and dangerous women.

I can applaud her statement as a newfound sense of something and painting in broad strokes.

At the same time,the devil is in the details.Her points one and two are valid and strong.

But,after that,IMO Peetza makes some valid points.I share his comment on Rights.That word is misused .Every day I see "You have a right to...(something someone else should pay for) and you are some kind of victim if it is not provided."

IMO,I do not have a right to food.If I was hungry and could not provide for myself,people would help me and I would be grateful.That is not a right.If I felt food was my right and stole food,I would be violating someone elses right.

And,we cannot carry everyplace.We can argue what should be,but we must deal with what is.Beyond ridicule or intimidation,I would be fired and charged with a crime if I carried at work.

I admire her spirit,and her statement.Some fine points need to be aged and mellowed.

The effectiveness of concealed carry is compromised if it is "out".

If no one knows she is carrying,her issues are moot.She won't need approval if she is silent about carrying.

We cannot control the fears,reactions,thoughts,and words of others.Carrying concealed has responsibilities.

November 22, 2012, 04:32 PM	#6
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Central Georgia Posts: 1,863	While my sister is placated with turkey, I am going to drag her in front of the computer and make her read that word for word. __________________ NRA Life Member Read my blog! "The answer to any caliber debate is going to be .38 Super, 10mm, .357 Sig or .41 Magnum!"

November 23, 2012, 01:17 AM	#8
Dr Big Bird PhD Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 779	marriage potential __________________ I told the new me, "Meet me at the bus station and hold a sign that reads: 'Today is the first day of the rest of your life.'" But the old me met me with a sign that read: "Welcome back." Who you are is not a function of where you are. -Off Minor

November 23, 2012, 09:10 AM	#10
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Well, I hate to poop on her parade but it's pet peeve of mine when people claim "rights" that don't exist. While I agree with her over-all point, she does not have a right to be free of ridicule or judgement. Quite the opposite, in fact. Others have every right to ridicule and judge her. It might be no more palatable than a KKK convention, but they have the right. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

November 23, 2012, 09:18 AM	#11
JerryM Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 1999 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,889	[While I agree with her over-all point, she does not have a right to be free of ridicule or judgement. Quite the opposite, in fact. Others have every right to ridicule and judge her. It might be no more palatable than a KKK convention, but they have the right.] Agree. If she uses deadly force over that "right" she will find herself in prison. Jerry __________________ Ecclesiastes 12:13 ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

November 23, 2012, 12:50 PM	#12
jimpeel Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: Longmont, CO, USA Posts: 4,530	Reading far too much into this, guys. You went from her assertion of a self-endowed right to her using deadly force against someone for "ridicule, bias, discrimination and judgment from those who disagree with [her] stand or are simply uneducated and ignorant of the facts about gun ownership, self-defense, and safety." As for the other part where she asserts a right against intimidation -- if that intimidation is a guy standing over her with a ball bat, or other threatening device, she should use whatever force is necessary to stop that intimidation. __________________ Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey

November 22, 2012, 03:10 PM	#2
TheNatureBoy Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2007 Posts: 1,204	Pressing "like" button.

November 22, 2012, 03:43 PM	#4
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	This link will get you a you tube animation of a woman explaining why she carries.I think it is well done...and,it applies to why anyone might carry,not only women. http://youtu.be/NuLoVaGaa3w

November 22, 2012, 04:03 PM	#5
tekarra Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 1,164	Very succinctly stated.

November 22, 2012, 07:54 PM	#7
Warrior1256 Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2012 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 156	My wife feels exactly the same way as do I. This lady has my utmost respect.

November 23, 2012, 08:04 AM	#9
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,331	Pretty good. i like'd it.

November 23, 2012, 01:07 PM	#13
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	I made no association to use of force against those things. I'm simply pointing out that she DOES NOT have the right to be "free of.." those things. I don't like it when people try to make everything into a right. Rights are special. Not being bothered, annoyed, critiqued, made fun of, ridiculed, judged, etc, is not a "right". __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

November 23, 2012, 01:32 PM	#14
jimpeel Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: Longmont, CO, USA Posts: 4,530	Clarifying: You (Brian Pfleuger) went from her assertion of a self-endowed right to (JerryM) her using deadly force against someone ... I agree with you about her self endowed rights. I thought it was a bit over the top to assert that she might use deadly force to enforce those rights. __________________ Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey

November 24, 2012, 09:21 PM	#15
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,286	I'm all in favor of armed and dangerous women. I can applaud her statement as a newfound sense of something and painting in broad strokes. At the same time,the devil is in the details.Her points one and two are valid and strong. But,after that,IMO Peetza makes some valid points.I share his comment on Rights.That word is misused .Every day I see "You have a right to...(something someone else should pay for) and you are some kind of victim if it is not provided." IMO,I do not have a right to food.If I was hungry and could not provide for myself,people would help me and I would be grateful.That is not a right.If I felt food was my right and stole food,I would be violating someone elses right. And,we cannot carry everyplace.We can argue what should be,but we must deal with what is.Beyond ridicule or intimidation,I would be fired and charged with a crime if I carried at work. I admire her spirit,and her statement.Some fine points need to be aged and mellowed. The effectiveness of concealed carry is compromised if it is "out". If no one knows she is carrying,her issues are moot.She won't need approval if she is silent about carrying. We cannot control the fears,reactions,thoughts,and words of others.Carrying concealed has responsibilities. Last edited by HiBC; November 24, 2012 at 09:33 PM.