LGS = worthless to the non-hoarding non-prepping public

eldermike · March 12, 2013, 01:06 PM

I have made a personal decision to waste no more gas and time on the LGS's and resigned myself to hazmat fees as part of the overall costs of shooting. As a shooter these type stores have become of no use to me. If I were a hoarder/prepper then perhaps they would present me with some value.

I will continue my new ways on a permanent basis. I reserve the right to change my mind if: I ever see an actual zombie or my information gets low enough to convince me that there is an actual crisis.

chiefr · March 12, 2013, 01:09 PM

bazookajeff89 · March 12, 2013, 02:48 PM

........What does this even mean/trying to convey?

Joe_Pike · March 12, 2013, 03:02 PM

zxcvbob · March 12, 2013, 03:04 PM

It made sense to me.

(helps if you reload)

eldermike · March 12, 2013, 03:13 PM

Yep, if you are a reloader you will get it, I hope

Blowing off steam. I don't want to own all the bullseye in town, I just want a pound and when I shoot that pound up I'll go get another one.

chiefr · March 12, 2013, 03:40 PM

Unfortunately and due to the political climate, one NOW has to keep stocks of reloading supplies if one expects to partake in the shooting sports.

I guess this behavior can be called hoarding.

I too have been frustrated of the shortage of reloading supplies at my LGS. Having said that, major internet retailers are backordered on most reloading supplies too. I don't have a problem at all paying the the hazmat fee if I can find what I want.

zxcvbob · March 12, 2013, 04:01 PM

Quote:

I don't have a problem at all paying the the hazmat fee if I can find what I want.

It gives you an excuse to buy 8 pounds of powder (at least) instead of just one, or 5000 primers instead of 1000.

I assume EM posted this here instead of in the reloading subforum because it's more a problem of ammo availability than reloading supplies -- but the scarcity of reloading stuff at the same time makes it so much worse.

I've been buying a little extra whenever supplies are cheap and/or plentiful, so I'm in pretty good shape* except for .22LR (and I bought that too, I've just used up half of it and was about to restock in December...)

*not because I'm so clever, just I've been doing this for a while. It would really suck to be a new shooter right now; just got into it or just got old enough and can't buy any ammo or primers because hogs are buying it all.

eldermike · March 12, 2013, 04:11 PM

What gets me going is, there is no actual crisis.

buck460XVR · March 12, 2013, 04:11 PM

While the shelves at the Big Box Outdoor stores and Wally World have been empty, many of the small LGS's around me have had anything I really needed, if I looked hard enough. Prices were about the same as before the frenzy and comparable to the internet. Many times they had something I wanted when it could not be found anywhere on the internet. Fortunately, like many others that went thru this same thing 4 years ago, there wasn't a lot that I really needed. Now that stuff is starting to show up on internet web sites, it also has been starting to show up at the LGS's. Maybe I'm just lucky.

eldermike · March 12, 2013, 04:18 PM

Buck, do they have a can of Bullseye?

zxcvbob · March 12, 2013, 04:48 PM

EM, do you know any shotgunners? They might loan you a half a pound of Red Dot to keep you shootin'.

Also your LGS might have a pound of Green Dot, PB, or Nitro 100, or one of the other less-popular fast powders.

eldermike · March 12, 2013, 05:46 PM

I have blue dot, not ideal but it will go bang. All the guys I know are shooters like me, they need the supplies they have.

BoogieMan · March 12, 2013, 06:46 PM

I have a good deal going with my LGS so Ill continue to go there. Unfortunately he doesnt sell powder anymore, fees got to him. I do know of another store that has a stash of powder. at least I hope they still have some.

Jerry45 · March 12, 2013, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldermike

What gets me going is, there is no actual crisis.

If you don't believe our nation is in crisis you must be living under a rock. There are many states that aren't in crisis right now however several are. Look at the laws just passed in NY, Colorado, Organ and etc. Some major companies involved in the firearms business are refusing to sell to some states and LE and government agencies in those states. Feinstein, Shumer and their ilk are pushing for draconian people control by the federal government. Have some of The People gone overboard buying and hording. I believe they have but that's what happens when fascism rares it's ugly head. If you don't understand what is going on you need to start doing some research on other gun boards and political forums.

I hope I don't get canned for addressing politics in the reloading forum but I believe it needed saying.

eldermike · March 12, 2013, 07:12 PM

Its the hoarders that are living under rocks. To fix our nation we will have to get over the idea of self and dedicate ourselves to saving it. Hoarders will not be of any use in that process because they are only concerned with self in the first place. I trust God and His will, I don't need a million rounds and neither do any of you. The crisis is one of misplaced trust.

Jerry45 · March 12, 2013, 07:31 PM

"They" only think of self? Who's the one whining.

I've been shooting and reloading for years. I have powder, primers and bullets. Week before last I went the range with a friend and his guest. His guest shot 3 of my rifles and use up several hundred rounds of .223, .308 and 30-06 of my "stash" and a couple hundred pistol rounds of my friends "stash". Not to mention what my friend and I shot. I have enough powder, primers and bullets to that for some time to come. I'll be burning up some-more tomorrow. If someone at the range wants to shoot any of my firearms I'll let them and furnish the ammo. Because we, my friend and I, have soooooo much powder, primers and bullets we must be selfish hoarders. Thanks for opening my eyes. I'm really sorry I bought so much.

TennJed · March 12, 2013, 07:35 PM

Eldermike, I am sorry but I have no idea as to what you are trying to convey or why you are blaming the local gun shop owners. Do you think they are purposefully hiding powder from you? Do you think they would get more if they could? Do you realize they are people trying to make a living? They are running a business, not a charity

hooligan1 · March 12, 2013, 07:42 PM

Heck my LGS has been pretty much stocked again I don't think this one was like the earlier "Bad Times", but there is still stuff we cant find here, bullets, some types of primers. I'm setting on what I've had stored for a couple years, but since I have been testing ammunition, my cache is getting lean.

wild willy · March 12, 2013, 07:49 PM

The only people I feel sorry for are the ones who just started loading.If you were loading 4 years ago and saw what happened and didn't put some extra supplies back you don't have any one to blame but yourself.I get tired of unprepared people whining and blaming everybody else.

5 STRING · March 12, 2013, 07:59 PM

If you don't believe our nation is in crisis you must be living under a rock. There are many states that aren't in crisis right now however several are. Look at the laws just passed in NY, Colorado, Organ and etc. Some major companies involved in the firearms business are refusing to sell to some states and LE and government agencies in those states. Feinstein, Shumer and their ilk are pushing for draconian people control by the federal government. Have some of The People gone overboard buying and hording. I believe they have but that's what happens when fascism rares it's ugly head. If you don't understand what is going on you need to start doing some research on other gun boards and political forums.

I stated basically the same things that a couple of you have said on another forum, and got chewed out by some of the members on that site. Seems that they thought as long as they, themselves had 50,000 to 100,000 components of each caliber in their inventory at all times...then they, themselves were not looking at a problem, .... just people like me have the problem,....we who didn't/don't empty the shelves every week like they do.

Although, some of the ones who were crowing about having so much powder/primers stashed back at that time, are now running out of their own personal stock and are starting to sweat and cry a little louder.....just like the rest of us nobodys.

And yes, I am a new guy on this forum.....and yes I have some powder, primers and bullets... But I won't be wasting them either.....Not now....Not until somebody in Washington, DC with a brain starts speaking intelligently.

My 02

Jerry45 · March 12, 2013, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild willy

The only people I feel sorry for are the ones who just started loading.If you were loading 4 years ago and saw what happened and didn't put some extra supplies back you don't have any one to blame but yourself.I get tired of unprepared people whining and blaming everybody else.

Ditto!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry45 · March 12, 2013, 08:15 PM

5 STRING, I understand. I was watching Duck Dynasty last night for the first time. It was pretty funny but the uncle said something profound, "you can't fix stupid". Seems I've heard that before.

rclark · March 12, 2013, 08:41 PM

Quote:

don't want to own all the bullseye in town, I just want a pound and when I shoot that pound up I'll go get another one.

That was the way I was before the first so called election.... I'd even buy primers by the 100 as I needed them. Now I buy by the 1000. After the first go around, I decided to buy a little every two weeks (payday)... Whether it was a box of .22s or some primers, or a bit more powder. Once to a certain level, just replenish. Bullets aren't a problem as lead is available everywhere. This time around, it has paid off as this year, at least, is covered. I just hope it doesn't last for 4 years as the idjits in federal/states keeps pounding gun control/national registry/tax on bullets/7 cartridge magazines/etc ..... Still I keep looking locally so I can 'replenish' . Call me a hoarder.... but I am loading and shooting.

eldermike · March 12, 2013, 08:53 PM

I don't see it as being stupid to challenge the pratice of hoarding. I am also not whining I can reload rifles from 6mm PPC to 458 win mag and shoot, I am not out of business. But I can complain that I don't like being forced to join in on stockpiling for some event I don't think is going to happen. And I don't feel that's being stupid.

March 12, 2013, 01:06 PM	#1
eldermike Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2013 Location: NC Posts: 545	LGS = worthless to the non-hoarding non-prepping public I have made a personal decision to waste no more gas and time on the LGS's and resigned myself to hazmat fees as part of the overall costs of shooting. As a shooter these type stores have become of no use to me. If I were a hoarder/prepper then perhaps they would present me with some value. I will continue my new ways on a permanent basis. I reserve the right to change my mind if: I ever see an actual zombie or my information gets low enough to convince me that there is an actual crisis. Last edited by eldermike; March 12, 2013 at 03:13 PM.

March 12, 2013, 03:02 PM	#4
Joe_Pike Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2010 Posts: 1,581	__________________ Stay Groovy

March 12, 2013, 03:04 PM	#5
zxcvbob Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: S.E. Minnesota Posts: 4,720	It made sense to me. (helps if you reload) __________________ "Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire!" —Lucille Bluth

March 12, 2013, 04:48 PM	#12
zxcvbob Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: S.E. Minnesota Posts: 4,720	EM, do you know any shotgunners? They might loan you a half a pound of Red Dot to keep you shootin'. Also your LGS might have a pound of Green Dot, PB, or Nitro 100, or one of the other less-popular fast powders. __________________ "Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire!" —Lucille Bluth

March 12, 2013, 06:46 PM	#14
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	I have a good deal going with my LGS so Ill continue to go there. Unfortunately he doesnt sell powder anymore, fees got to him. I do know of another store that has a stash of powder. at least I hope they still have some. __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

March 12, 2013, 01:09 PM	#2
chiefr Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: AR Posts: 1,401

March 12, 2013, 02:48 PM	#3
bazookajeff89 Member Join Date: January 14, 2013 Location: Great Falls, MT Posts: 47	........What does this even mean/trying to convey?

March 12, 2013, 03:13 PM	#6
eldermike Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2013 Location: NC Posts: 545	Yep, if you are a reloader you will get it, I hope Blowing off steam. I don't want to own all the bullseye in town, I just want a pound and when I shoot that pound up I'll go get another one.

March 12, 2013, 03:40 PM	#7
chiefr Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: AR Posts: 1,401	Unfortunately and due to the political climate, one NOW has to keep stocks of reloading supplies if one expects to partake in the shooting sports. I guess this behavior can be called hoarding. I too have been frustrated of the shortage of reloading supplies at my LGS. Having said that, major internet retailers are backordered on most reloading supplies too. I don't have a problem at all paying the the hazmat fee if I can find what I want.

March 12, 2013, 04:11 PM	#9
eldermike Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2013 Location: NC Posts: 545	What gets me going is, there is no actual crisis.

March 12, 2013, 04:11 PM	#10
buck460XVR Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2006 Posts: 4,342	While the shelves at the Big Box Outdoor stores and Wally World have been empty, many of the small LGS's around me have had anything I really needed, if I looked hard enough. Prices were about the same as before the frenzy and comparable to the internet. Many times they had something I wanted when it could not be found anywhere on the internet. Fortunately, like many others that went thru this same thing 4 years ago, there wasn't a lot that I really needed. Now that stuff is starting to show up on internet web sites, it also has been starting to show up at the LGS's. Maybe I'm just lucky.

March 12, 2013, 04:18 PM	#11
eldermike Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2013 Location: NC Posts: 545	Buck, do they have a can of Bullseye?

March 12, 2013, 05:46 PM	#13
eldermike Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2013 Location: NC Posts: 545	I have blue dot, not ideal but it will go bang. All the guys I know are shooters like me, they need the supplies they have.

March 12, 2013, 07:12 PM	#16
eldermike Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2013 Location: NC Posts: 545	Its the hoarders that are living under rocks. To fix our nation we will have to get over the idea of self and dedicate ourselves to saving it. Hoarders will not be of any use in that process because they are only concerned with self in the first place. I trust God and His will, I don't need a million rounds and neither do any of you. The crisis is one of misplaced trust.

March 12, 2013, 07:31 PM	#17
Jerry45 Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2000 Location: Metairie, Louisiana Posts: 890	"They" only think of self? Who's the one whining. I've been shooting and reloading for years. I have powder, primers and bullets. Week before last I went the range with a friend and his guest. His guest shot 3 of my rifles and use up several hundred rounds of .223, .308 and 30-06 of my "stash" and a couple hundred pistol rounds of my friends "stash". Not to mention what my friend and I shot. I have enough powder, primers and bullets to that for some time to come. I'll be burning up some-more tomorrow. If someone at the range wants to shoot any of my firearms I'll let them and furnish the ammo. Because we, my friend and I, have soooooo much powder, primers and bullets we must be selfish hoarders. Thanks for opening my eyes. I'm really sorry I bought so much. __________________ Guns are not dangerous! People are! RKBA! Last edited by Jerry45; March 12, 2013 at 08:19 PM.

March 12, 2013, 07:35 PM	#18
TennJed Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1,536	LGS = worthless to the non-hoarding non-prepping public Eldermike, I am sorry but I have no idea as to what you are trying to convey or why you are blaming the local gun shop owners. Do you think they are purposefully hiding powder from you? Do you think they would get more if they could? Do you realize they are people trying to make a living? They are running a business, not a charity

March 12, 2013, 07:42 PM	#19
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 4,585	Heck my LGS has been pretty much stocked again I don't think this one was like the earlier "Bad Times", but there is still stuff we cant find here, bullets, some types of primers. I'm setting on what I've had stored for a couple years, but since I have been testing ammunition, my cache is getting lean. __________________ Keep your Axe sharp and your powder dry.

March 12, 2013, 07:49 PM	#20
wild willy Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2006 Posts: 404	The only people I feel sorry for are the ones who just started loading.If you were loading 4 years ago and saw what happened and didn't put some extra supplies back you don't have any one to blame but yourself.I get tired of unprepared people whining and blaming everybody else.

March 12, 2013, 07:59 PM	#21
5 STRING Member Join Date: March 10, 2013 Location: Southern Posts: 36	If you don't believe our nation is in crisis you must be living under a rock. There are many states that aren't in crisis right now however several are. Look at the laws just passed in NY, Colorado, Organ and etc. Some major companies involved in the firearms business are refusing to sell to some states and LE and government agencies in those states. Feinstein, Shumer and their ilk are pushing for draconian people control by the federal government. Have some of The People gone overboard buying and hording. I believe they have but that's what happens when fascism rares it's ugly head. If you don't understand what is going on you need to start doing some research on other gun boards and political forums. I stated basically the same things that a couple of you have said on another forum, and got chewed out by some of the members on that site. Seems that they thought as long as they, themselves had 50,000 to 100,000 components of each caliber in their inventory at all times...then they, themselves were not looking at a problem, .... just people like me have the problem,....we who didn't/don't empty the shelves every week like they do. Although, some of the ones who were crowing about having so much powder/primers stashed back at that time, are now running out of their own personal stock and are starting to sweat and cry a little louder.....just like the rest of us nobodys. And yes, I am a new guy on this forum.....and yes I have some powder, primers and bullets... But I won't be wasting them either.....Not now....Not until somebody in Washington, DC with a brain starts speaking intelligently. My 02

March 12, 2013, 08:15 PM	#23
Jerry45 Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2000 Location: Metairie, Louisiana Posts: 890	5 STRING, I understand. I was watching Duck Dynasty last night for the first time. It was pretty funny but the uncle said something profound, "you can't fix stupid". Seems I've heard that before. __________________ Guns are not dangerous! People are! RKBA!

March 12, 2013, 08:53 PM	#25
eldermike Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2013 Location: NC Posts: 545	I don't see it as being stupid to challenge the pratice of hoarding. I am also not whining I can reload rifles from 6mm PPC to 458 win mag and shoot, I am not out of business. But I can complain that I don't like being forced to join in on stockpiling for some event I don't think is going to happen. And I don't feel that's being stupid.

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