Tactical Magazine Question.

threefivesevenmag · May 21, 2005, 02:14 PM

Hey All.

I was at the grocery and stopped by to read a few gun rags to interupt my boring shopping list. Anyway, one was some new "tactical" magazine I had never seen before.

It had pictures of "tactical" situations inside a home at close range. The "good guy" was always armed to the teeth, and the "bad guy" was as well. Anyway, the pictures displayed how to handle situations in a sequence. In one sequence the BG was hiding around a corner with an AK-47 and the GG was slicing the pie and was armed with an HK 9mm submachine gun. The photos displayed the GG striking the AK barrel up with his weak hand and then lowering his HK to draw a knife and then stab the BG in the chest and then cut his hamstrings...supposedly dropping him and ending it.

Why did he have to lower his weapon which was already in hand and draw a knife to stop the threat? Wouldn't it be more realistic to fire your gun COM on the BG after "tapping" his barrel out of the way?

I don't see where the "tactical" advantage is. Any thoughts on this situation and the relevancy of silly tactical magazines would be appreciated. I think most people are getting too tactical for their own good when just practicing, doing IDPA and training the mind and body would far more benefit a regular joe that isn't a LEO or Military. Agree or disagree?

payne · May 21, 2005, 02:26 PM

what mag was this? I myself will consider myself screwed if a dude comes into my house decked out all "tactical" with a primary weapon as a AK. But yes I believe the senarieo (can't spell) is way out there.

threefivesevenmag · May 21, 2005, 02:46 PM

I can't remember the title, but I'll check next time I am there. Yeah, it was a pretty ridiculous situation. I figure if a home invader has an AK, then massive amounts of trouble will ensue on every side.

I do like reading certain gun rags, this one was just too much.

simonsay · May 21, 2005, 09:46 PM

Makes all the sense to me. You should always transition to a knife, if at all possible, to avoid waking the kids and wife.

guntotin_fool · May 21, 2005, 10:00 PM

Is the grocery store connected to a mall. Was the Magazine named "mall ninja tactical" Or was it " Dope Dealer Tactical" Only people I know who would sit down for dinner while resting an Mp5 accross his knee would fit into one of those focus groups.

Stiletto · May 21, 2005, 11:00 PM

Are you SURE it wasn't a comic meant to be funny? What else was in the magazine?

jonathon · May 21, 2005, 11:09 PM

Musta been Mall Ninjay Monthly

RsqVet · May 22, 2005, 12:01 AM

That is as good as the fellow i recently saw at the range with a Mossberg 12 ga with a bayonet (Sp?) a fixed. Reason provided ---- In case they have body armor on. Hummmmm let's see here... head shot may not be as easy as a COM hit but then you have a long arm with slugs or a scatter gun load..... not to mention if you are at contact range with the gun you can apply it to lots of unarmored places.....

Anyway was good for quiet amusement

45 Fu · May 22, 2005, 02:38 PM

He he he, ha ha ha, ho ho ho! THUNK! Sound of 45 Fu falling from chair.

Now that I have caught my breath, some things have gotten so silly it'a a wonder that anyone can take anything seriously.

I make a motion that we ban all uses of the following words: tactical (and all words derived from the root "tactic"), and stealth. These words may still be used when speaking of any military or police action, but banned in all civilian applications.

I do, however, like "strategery."

LAK · May 23, 2005, 04:12 AM

I only glanced at it briefly, but Clint Smith wrote a short piece tackling the subject of tactics in one of the rags recently. This opener seemed like it might be somewhat objective as it sought to address the definition of the term and it's application.

SBrocker8 · May 24, 2005, 01:23 AM

The guy should have just hung back and called in some mortar fire!!!

sjstill · May 24, 2005, 11:32 AM

That is as good as the fellow i recently saw at the range with a Mossberg 12 ga with a bayonet (Sp?) a fixed. Reason provided ---- In case they have body armor on.

I let a fellow shoot an old, outdated Kevelar vest Sunday. Vest was set at 7 yards. First 3 rounds were WWB .40/165 FMJ and they were contained by the vest. Put a pretty dandy dent in the cardboard IPSC target holding the vest up, though!

They shot several flavors of handgun rounds at it, none penetrated that I can recall.

He let fly with a 12 ga & birdshot, and nothing penetrated, but it DID put a massive dent in the cardboard.

I gave him a Fiocchi 12 1oz low recoil slug, and that slug went thru the front panel about 4.5"!!

It was still contained by the Kevelar, but it would have ventilated the wearer.

He had some sabot slugs, but I don't know how they performed.

What's my point? Heck, I don't know, I just wanted to post

May 21, 2005, 02:14 PM	#1
threefivesevenmag Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 406	Tactical Magazine Question. Hey All. I was at the grocery and stopped by to read a few gun rags to interupt my boring shopping list. Anyway, one was some new "tactical" magazine I had never seen before. It had pictures of "tactical" situations inside a home at close range. The "good guy" was always armed to the teeth, and the "bad guy" was as well. Anyway, the pictures displayed how to handle situations in a sequence. In one sequence the BG was hiding around a corner with an AK-47 and the GG was slicing the pie and was armed with an HK 9mm submachine gun. The photos displayed the GG striking the AK barrel up with his weak hand and then lowering his HK to draw a knife and then stab the BG in the chest and then cut his hamstrings...supposedly dropping him and ending it. Why did he have to lower his weapon which was already in hand and draw a knife to stop the threat? Wouldn't it be more realistic to fire your gun COM on the BG after "tapping" his barrel out of the way? I don't see where the "tactical" advantage is. Any thoughts on this situation and the relevancy of silly tactical magazines would be appreciated. I think most people are getting too tactical for their own good when just practicing, doing IDPA and training the mind and body would far more benefit a regular joe that isn't a LEO or Military. Agree or disagree?

May 21, 2005, 02:26 PM	#2
payne Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Location: SE US Posts: 519	what mag was this? I myself will consider myself screwed if a dude comes into my house decked out all "tactical" with a primary weapon as a AK. But yes I believe the senarieo (can't spell) is way out there. __________________ If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. - Sun Tzu

May 21, 2005, 02:46 PM	#3
threefivesevenmag Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 406	I'll check I can't remember the title, but I'll check next time I am there. Yeah, it was a pretty ridiculous situation. I figure if a home invader has an AK, then massive amounts of trouble will ensue on every side. I do like reading certain gun rags, this one was just too much.

May 21, 2005, 11:09 PM	#7
jonathon Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Washougal, Washington. YEHAW! Posts: 1,872	Musta been Mall Ninjay Monthly __________________ Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good More CZ M52 info than you can shake a stick at!

May 22, 2005, 02:38 PM	#9
45 Fu Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 422	He he he, ha ha ha, ho ho ho! THUNK! Sound of 45 Fu falling from chair. Now that I have caught my breath, some things have gotten so silly it'a a wonder that anyone can take anything seriously. I make a motion that we ban all uses of the following words: tactical (and all words derived from the root "tactic"), and stealth. These words may still be used when speaking of any military or police action, but banned in all civilian applications. I do, however, like "strategery." __________________ The pen is mightier than the sword - unless you are facing a man armed with a sword, then the pen is pretty much useless. 45 Fu Last edited by 45 Fu; May 22, 2005 at 02:39 PM. Reason: I can't spell

May 21, 2005, 09:46 PM	#4
simonsay Junior Member Join Date: February 27, 2005 Location: TX Posts: 13	Makes all the sense to me. You should always transition to a knife, if at all possible, to avoid waking the kids and wife.

May 21, 2005, 10:00 PM	#5
guntotin_fool Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2004 Posts: 1,446	Is the grocery store connected to a mall. Was the Magazine named "mall ninja tactical" Or was it " Dope Dealer Tactical" Only people I know who would sit down for dinner while resting an Mp5 accross his knee would fit into one of those focus groups.

May 21, 2005, 11:00 PM	#6
Stiletto Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2005 Posts: 388	Are you SURE it wasn't a comic meant to be funny? What else was in the magazine?

May 22, 2005, 12:01 AM	#8
RsqVet Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2005 Posts: 2,474	That is as good as the fellow i recently saw at the range with a Mossberg 12 ga with a bayonet (Sp?) a fixed. Reason provided ---- In case they have body armor on. Hummmmm let's see here... head shot may not be as easy as a COM hit but then you have a long arm with slugs or a scatter gun load..... not to mention if you are at contact range with the gun you can apply it to lots of unarmored places..... Anyway was good for quiet amusement

May 23, 2005, 04:12 AM	#10
LAK Junior member Join Date: May 14, 2002 Posts: 2,251	I only glanced at it briefly, but Clint Smith wrote a short piece tackling the subject of tactics in one of the rags recently. This opener seemed like it might be somewhat objective as it sought to address the definition of the term and it's application.

May 24, 2005, 01:23 AM	#11
SBrocker8 Senior Member Join Date: May 2, 2005 Posts: 111	The guy should have just hung back and called in some mortar fire!!!

May 24, 2005, 11:32 AM	#12
sjstill Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 108	That is as good as the fellow i recently saw at the range with a Mossberg 12 ga with a bayonet (Sp?) a fixed. Reason provided ---- In case they have body armor on. I let a fellow shoot an old, outdated Kevelar vest Sunday. Vest was set at 7 yards. First 3 rounds were WWB .40/165 FMJ and they were contained by the vest. Put a pretty dandy dent in the cardboard IPSC target holding the vest up, though! They shot several flavors of handgun rounds at it, none penetrated that I can recall. He let fly with a 12 ga & birdshot, and nothing penetrated, but it DID put a massive dent in the cardboard. I gave him a Fiocchi 12 1oz low recoil slug, and that slug went thru the front panel about 4.5"!! It was still contained by the Kevelar, but it would have ventilated the wearer. He had some sabot slugs, but I don't know how they performed. What's my point? Heck, I don't know, I just wanted to post __________________ My name is Steve, and I'm a Glockaholic. The primary target is what we call the thoracic triangle. Shots to this area tend to make people FDGB (“fall down go boom”).