Good clean practice ammo

chrisintexas · October 7, 2016, 02:10 AM

What ammos' would be that and should you practice with same grain ammo as the one you carry? Thanks

chrisintexas · October 8, 2016, 05:31 PM

Wow! not 1 reply!

FITASC · October 8, 2016, 05:33 PM

Wow! No clue as to what caliber! Amazing!

chrisintexas · October 8, 2016, 06:37 PM

9 mm.40 s&w 45acp 10mm 44 magnum

jrothWA · October 8, 2016, 08:33 PM

with same carry bullet at the same velocity of carry ammo.

works for me especially shooting bowling pins. [Darn , reactive targets!]

Maverick36 · October 8, 2016, 09:43 PM

I like Magtech 115gr , Sellier & Bellot and MEN 124gr NATO (sealed primers) from Germany .

marines6433 · October 8, 2016, 10:18 PM

There are some companies out there who produce range/carry ammo packages. The recoil is supposed to be the same for both, as well as the POI for each, so that you can practice with ammo that replicates what you will carry. "Train and Defend" is one such ammo.

Oysterboy · October 9, 2016, 04:46 PM

I carry Uw 10mm 200 XTP. I forgot to add that I practiced with Uw 10mm 200 FMJ. Both are loaded to same ballistics.

Same thing with Uw 180.

P5 Guy · October 10, 2016, 12:58 PM

I have always preferred Sellier&Belliot in 9mm for practice. It seems to be loaded a bit stronger than the econo-pack whitebox.

rodfac · October 10, 2016, 02:56 PM

Once our carry ammunition is proved, we practice with similar recoiling ammunition that's CHEAP. I use hand cast lead alloy bullets that I load to the same recoil. Out to 10 yds, the impact points are within an inch or so. It's the recoil impulse that affects hand position and follow up shot speed. Rod

Erno86 · October 10, 2016, 03:09 PM

Speer pistol ammo.

xcc_rider · October 10, 2016, 03:52 PM

A little lighter bullet for practice isn't a bad thing as long as you still shoot some full power loads occasionally.
I've read some posts saying the Winchester bulk packs are dirty but I've fired it thru my 40 cal and found minimal fouling.
I wish my 45 cal handloads were so clean.

T. O'Heir · October 11, 2016, 01:30 PM

You should practice with same ammo as you carry. Regardless of the cartridge.

michael t · October 11, 2016, 09:48 PM

You pay for my Corbon ammo and I will be glad to .Shooting 230 ball against 185 +P or a 200gr at SD distance 30' in little difference. As for recoil not that much difference.

Not many people can afford to shoot their premium ammo for target practice. I will finish with a mag of Corbon . But no way I shooting a 100 rounds of it at one time for practice. That's a might expensive.

I guess you shoot a lot of 22 and carry one also.

**Spats McGee** · October 12, 2016, 06:06 AM

In theory, you should practice with ammo of the same grain that you carry. That said, I carry 124 grain, and it's hard to find 124gr practice ammo locally. I have bought some online, but if I have to shoot what I buy locally, I usually buy 115gr TulAmmo BrassMaxx.

2afreedom · October 14, 2016, 04:51 PM

I suppose in a perfect world with unlimited funds, we would all practice with $1 per round carry ammo. However, I don't live in a perfect world and I darn sure don't have unlimited funds. If you don't reload, all you can do is find some reasonably priced practice ammo that comes close to the bullet weight, velocity, and recoil of your carry ammo. At reasonable distances, let's say under 25 yards, you should have a close point of impact to your carry load.

Many of the American ammo companies sell a fmj practice load that closely matches their carry ammo (Speer Lawman and Gold Dot is one example). My opinion is that these practice ammo lines would be the closest thing to the self-defense ammo you could get without paying for the real deal.

In the end, I would much rather shoot a few thousand rounds per year with practice ammo than limit myself to shooting a few hundred rounds of carry ammo because that's all I felt comfortable using to practice.

Big Shrek · October 15, 2016, 06:35 PM

I've been burning thru quite the stockpile of Perfecta ammo,
goes bang every time and tends to be more precise than the usual suspects...
between it and Wifey's reloads, few worries at all.
(Ain't saying I married her for her reloading gear & skills...but it did count in the figuring

)

Depending on caliber, my defense ammo tends to be Golden Saber in 9mm,
and the other calibers are all Hornady Critical Defense.
Doesn't seem to be much difference in POI between practice & defense,
as long as you stick to the same grain bullet weight.

CrazyGolfNut · October 18, 2016, 06:41 PM

what our your thoughts on Winchester white box or CCI Blazer Brass?

Boncrayon · October 19, 2016, 12:19 PM

Any brass casing with full copper jacket (to prevent leading the rifling in the bore.) Your proficiency does not improve by shooting the expensive self-defense rounds for practice. Once you get your stance, grip, trigger squeeze, breathing and follow through down pat, the result with self-defense will be life-saving.

With high-powered hunting rifles, you may want to practice using the same rounds you will use in the field because of the distance variable.

Sweet Shooter · October 19, 2016, 04:50 PM

My new favorite 9mm ammo is "MEN" a German contract ammo. It appears to be very clean and it is cheap too!
Link.

TBM900 · October 22, 2016, 06:08 PM

https://www.federalpremium.com/ammun...eagle-syntech/

Pistolay · October 22, 2016, 06:39 PM

Speer Lawman for practice and Speer Gold Dot in the same weight for carry is an excellent choice.

JDBerg · October 26, 2016, 10:33 PM

When Cabela's puts 115gr Blazer Brass 9mm on sale, it's good to pick some of it up.

October 7, 2016, 02:10 AM	#1
chrisintexas Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2012 Posts: 388	Good clean practice ammo What ammos' would be that and should you practice with same grain ammo as the one you carry? Thanks

October 8, 2016, 05:33 PM	#3
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Wow! No clue as to what caliber! Amazing! __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

October 8, 2016, 08:33 PM	#5
jrothWA Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2006 Posts: 2,519	Best to reload practice ammo ... with same carry bullet at the same velocity of carry ammo. works for me especially shooting bowling pins. [Darn , reactive targets!]

October 8, 2016, 10:18 PM	#7
marines6433 Member Join Date: August 14, 2016 Location: Indiana Posts: 57	There are some companies out there who produce range/carry ammo packages. The recoil is supposed to be the same for both, as well as the POI for each, so that you can practice with ammo that replicates what you will carry. "Train and Defend" is one such ammo. __________________ Are we there yet?

October 9, 2016, 04:46 PM	#8
Oysterboy Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 970	I carry Uw 10mm 200 XTP. I forgot to add that I practiced with Uw 10mm 200 FMJ. Both are loaded to same ballistics. Same thing with Uw 180. Last edited by Oysterboy; October 10, 2016 at 01:29 PM.

October 8, 2016, 05:31 PM	#2
chrisintexas Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2012 Posts: 388	Wow! not 1 reply!

October 8, 2016, 06:37 PM	#4
chrisintexas Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2012 Posts: 388	9 mm.40 s&w 45acp 10mm 44 magnum

October 8, 2016, 09:43 PM	#6
Maverick36 Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 105	I like Magtech 115gr , Sellier & Bellot and MEN 124gr NATO (sealed primers) from Germany .

October 10, 2016, 12:58 PM	#9
P5 Guy Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 1,804	I have always preferred Sellier&Belliot in 9mm for practice. It seems to be loaded a bit stronger than the econo-pack whitebox.

October 10, 2016, 02:56 PM	#10
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,624	Once our carry ammunition is proved, we practice with similar recoiling ammunition that's CHEAP. I use hand cast lead alloy bullets that I load to the same recoil. Out to 10 yds, the impact points are within an inch or so. It's the recoil impulse that affects hand position and follow up shot speed. Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

October 10, 2016, 03:09 PM	#11
Erno86 Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2012 Location: Marriottsville, Maryland Posts: 1,739	Speer pistol ammo. __________________ That rifle hanging on the wall of the working class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." --- George Orwell

October 10, 2016, 03:52 PM	#12
xcc_rider Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 2016 Posts: 169	A little lighter bullet for practice isn't a bad thing as long as you still shoot some full power loads occasionally. I've read some posts saying the Winchester bulk packs are dirty but I've fired it thru my 40 cal and found minimal fouling. I wish my 45 cal handloads were so clean.

October 11, 2016, 01:30 PM	#13
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	You should practice with same ammo as you carry. Regardless of the cartridge. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

October 11, 2016, 09:48 PM	#14
michael t Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Location: Out back Ky Posts: 4,044	You pay for my Corbon ammo and I will be glad to .Shooting 230 ball against 185 +P or a 200gr at SD distance 30' in little difference. As for recoil not that much difference. Not many people can afford to shoot their premium ammo for target practice. I will finish with a mag of Corbon . But no way I shooting a 100 rounds of it at one time for practice. That's a might expensive. I guess you shoot a lot of 22 and carry one also. __________________ Certified Armed Infidel Colt Defender ,Colt Mustang ,Dan Wesson CBOB, PPK/S, American Classic 1911,Bersa Thunder 380 http://bersachat.comHome of Bersa http://www.metroarms1911forum.com

October 12, 2016, 06:06 AM	#15
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	In theory, you should practice with ammo of the same grain that you carry. That said, I carry 124 grain, and it's hard to find 124gr practice ammo locally. I have bought some online, but if I have to shoot what I buy locally, I usually buy 115gr TulAmmo BrassMaxx. __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

October 14, 2016, 04:51 PM	#16
2afreedom Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2007 Location: Southern by the Grace of God Posts: 266	I suppose in a perfect world with unlimited funds, we would all practice with $1 per round carry ammo. However, I don't live in a perfect world and I darn sure don't have unlimited funds. If you don't reload, all you can do is find some reasonably priced practice ammo that comes close to the bullet weight, velocity, and recoil of your carry ammo. At reasonable distances, let's say under 25 yards, you should have a close point of impact to your carry load. Many of the American ammo companies sell a fmj practice load that closely matches their carry ammo (Speer Lawman and Gold Dot is one example). My opinion is that these practice ammo lines would be the closest thing to the self-defense ammo you could get without paying for the real deal. In the end, I would much rather shoot a few thousand rounds per year with practice ammo than limit myself to shooting a few hundred rounds of carry ammo because that's all I felt comfortable using to practice.

October 15, 2016, 06:35 PM	#17
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 1,358	I've been burning thru quite the stockpile of Perfecta ammo, goes bang every time and tends to be more precise than the usual suspects... between it and Wifey's reloads, few worries at all. (Ain't saying I married her for her reloading gear & skills...but it did count in the figuring ) Depending on caliber, my defense ammo tends to be Golden Saber in 9mm, and the other calibers are all Hornady Critical Defense. Doesn't seem to be much difference in POI between practice & defense, as long as you stick to the same grain bullet weight. __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.

October 18, 2016, 06:41 PM	#18
CrazyGolfNut Junior Member Join Date: August 10, 2016 Location: Nebraska Posts: 12	what our your thoughts on Winchester white box or CCI Blazer Brass?

October 19, 2016, 12:19 PM	#19
Boncrayon Senior Member Join Date: March 24, 2008 Posts: 920	Good clean practice ammo Any brass casing with full copper jacket (to prevent leading the rifling in the bore.) Your proficiency does not improve by shooting the expensive self-defense rounds for practice. Once you get your stance, grip, trigger squeeze, breathing and follow through down pat, the result with self-defense will be life-saving. With high-powered hunting rifles, you may want to practice using the same rounds you will use in the field because of the distance variable.

October 19, 2016, 04:50 PM	#20
Sweet Shooter Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2011 Posts: 672	My new favorite 9mm ammo is "MEN" a German contract ammo. It appears to be very clean and it is cheap too! Link.

October 22, 2016, 06:08 PM	#21
TBM900 Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2015 Posts: 777	https://www.federalpremium.com/ammun...eagle-syntech/

October 22, 2016, 06:39 PM	#22
Pistolay Member Join Date: October 19, 2016 Posts: 19	Speer Lawman for practice and Speer Gold Dot in the same weight for carry is an excellent choice.

October 26, 2016, 10:33 PM	#23
JDBerg Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2015 Location: PA Posts: 1,835	When Cabela's puts 115gr Blazer Brass 9mm on sale, it's good to pick some of it up. __________________ Words to Live By: Before You Pray - Believe; Before You Speak - Listen; Before You Spend - Earn; Before You Write - Think; Before You Quit - Try; Before You Die - Live