August 22, 2012, 10:13 AM | #1 |
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A gun range I go shooting at in Maryland is being sued to the tune of $200,000 for discrimination. They offer ladies night every monday (free charge to use the lanes only for ladies.) This guy is just money hungry! If he does win (which i doubt) this can open up a "big can of worms". Does that mean bars can be sued for offering ladies night discounts? I get a military discount at that range I shoot at, that would mean I can loose that too. Also senior citizens discount would be at stake also. Any ones thoughts on the matter??? I say a business has the right to do what it has to do to earn a living if it does not infringe on a persons right based on race, color, or beliefs.
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August 22, 2012, 10:21 AM | #2 |
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Anyone can file a lawsuit, but I don't think he has much chance of winning; there's just too much precedent (such as the excellent examples you gave).
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A link to the story would be nice. It's hard to evaluate the situation without further information.
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http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/08...on--79055.html
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This is kinda like the rules that Visa has on it's merchants. You can't charge more for using the charge card, but you can give a discount for paying cash.
You can't charge a man more for using the range, but you can give discounts. The range charges everybody to use the range on Monday, but they give the ladies a 100 percent discount. Just like the way that Lowes and Home Depot give 10 percent discount to Veterans. |
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If the range can get into trouble over this then the bars (ladies nights) will be in deep doodoo.
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August 22, 2012, 01:43 PM | #9 |
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Hrm... this seems to be a fine line between real legal issue and just plain silliness. On one hand, the legal premise is there that it is discrimination. On the other hand, what is this world coming to when people sue over ladies' day/night?
The spirit of the promotion in this case is not discriminatory. I think it could easily be argued that it's a good promotion to increase the numbers of an under represented group in shooting. I don't think anyone is complaining about ladies' night at their local watering hole or other social venue. |
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Secondly, this guy should be happy - instead of going to bars to pick up chicks, he can go to the gun range - their free ammo is better than buying them cocktails! Thirdly, and most importantly, females make up 53% of the population and historically voted for Obama - ANY percentage we get to our side is a blessing - this guy needs some "sensitivity training" - Missouri-mule style! |
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was meant tongue in cheek, Glenn
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Ba-dum-bum! I'll be here all week, folks.
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Oh spats,,,
Actually, that wasn't too bad,,,
But I still groaned. Aarond .
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No, I meant actual legal precedent - I'll bet dollars to donuts that this question has been brought before the courts already.
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Here's a 2010 decision from the Second Circuit Court of Appeals that shot down a Ladies Night discrimination suit: http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decision...16b6/1/hilite/
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What's interesting about the next part is that gun shops are also subject to an "extensive regulatory system." It could be (unsuccessfully) alleged that they are "state actors" as well under that interpretation: Quote:
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Times are changing....even the Ladies will be wearing "Green Jackets" at Augusta.
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1858, it isn't a gun thing, it is a golf thing. Women were just recently allowed to become members at Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters golf tournament (a major), where membership had been restricted to men. (Green Jackets are given to those who win a Masters, and members of Augusta National Golf Club...and it is not a shooting jacket) |
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It's been decades in VT since 'Ladies Night' was legal in any venue...Or 'Happy Hour' for that matter...
And we don't ask anyone's permission to carry open or concealed... |
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I was able to confirm that "Happy Hour" was illegal, but only because the lawmakers claim it encourages excessive alcohol consumption, not because it involves discriminatory pricing. |
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