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January 24, 2013, 10:52 PM | #1 |
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why such dislike for jimenez.
I bought a hi point 40 a couple weeks ago as a first handgun. It was miserable. Always jammed a lot of ftf. I went out and bought a jimenenz j.a. 22 and its been flawless. Ive run a couple hundred rounds already and it had one failure to feed and that was because I didnt have the clip locked in all the way. I bought today amd trade the hi point for a 9mm jimenez . I havent shot it yet butnit seems to be good quality. Sure the refinment isnt that of a nicer gunnexample the trigger are kimda cheapnlooking and feel. But so far the 22 has been flawless and the 9 looks decent. So what is so bad about them? Have they just otten better? Tell me what you think. And how can you tell ny looking a good gun from a cheap bad one.thank guys I am glad to be here.
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January 24, 2013, 10:58 PM | #2 |
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January 24, 2013, 11:04 PM | #3 |
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Take a Jiminez and a Glock, Sig or S&W semi to the range. After a mag of each, you'll have the answer.
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January 24, 2013, 11:10 PM | #4 |
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My experience has been that Hi Points are pretty reliable, though they won't win any beauty contests.
As to the Jimenez (pronounced He-men'-ez), they may be better now, but they were always made of poor quality materials and didn't hold up well. Some were reliable enough, at least for a while, but in general they were not guns most folks would want to rely on if they were able to afford a better one. Oddly, the design is quite good and made of good materials they would be a decent gun - but then they would cost more. Jim |
January 25, 2013, 08:08 AM | #5 |
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I have a Jennings J-22. It's over 20 years old now. I have shot it quite a bit and if I keep it clean and lubed, and use CCI stingers, it is about 100%. When I use cheaper .22 ammo, it is still pretty reliable, but I do have to CLEAN IT OFTEN.
I even carried this little J-22 while riding a motorcycle from Florida to New Mexico and back over several weeks and some pretty rough weather. Contrary to popular thought, It didn't rust, corrode, fall apart, or disintegrate. Mine is the Chrome version with wood grips. The only part I've replaced on it was the takedown/recoil spring cap (not sure what it's actually called) and that was because I lost the original when I removed the slide once. Anyone who has one of these knows what I'm talking about. I don't use it for anything but occasional plinking any more, since I have far better carry guns now. But, if y'all will think back 20+ years ago, there really wasn't much available in the size of the J-22. |
January 27, 2013, 12:35 AM | #6 |
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Don't even need to shoot it. Not a fan of the looks. Couple that with the fact that I saw a field strip video while the guy was in his car, I have enough reasons to never even hold one.
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January 27, 2013, 12:41 AM | #7 |
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I have a hard time believing you have a Jimenez JA-22 that has been flawless.
I just recently sold mine because I never shot it. It never got through a single magazine without a feeding issue. Both magazines had issues and the gun would fail to go into battery all the time. Total piece of junk. I bought it knowing that it would likely be used just for fun at the range and while just shooting it was fun, it was never reliable.
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January 27, 2013, 11:13 AM | #9 |
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I don't knock cheap guns as long as they are reliable and don't fall apart in a thousand rounds.
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January 27, 2013, 12:28 PM | #11 |
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The Jimenez 9 used to be named the Jennings 9 prior to Jennings filing for backruptcy and reforming as Jimenez. They also were once known as Bryco and maybe by other names as well.
I sold them at my shop for awhile. They sold well because of good packaging and low price. But every one that the owner actually fired broke and was returned to me. The only happy owners were the ones that never fired the piece. If you never drive your Yugo it's a great car. I quickly stopped offering them. Worst piece of junk I have ever seen. They make Hi-Point look like a high end custom piece.
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bout 12 yrs ago i bought a hi point 40 s&w full size. shot a few hundred shells out of it...was good gun. traded it to my brother for a marlin golden 22. he shot the high point with accuracy that was scary as hell. after a few yrs he asked if he could trade it back for the marlin and being his older brother and kinda feeling bad about taking advantage of him on the first trade i let him have the marlin back. shot it for another yr or so without having any problems then sold it to a friend for about half of what i paid origanlly. far as i know its still slinging lead down range with no problems....have had more expensive guns that didnt have near the accuracy or problem free times. so hi point is a good starter weapon or if its all you can afford go for it.
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January 27, 2013, 09:23 PM | #13 |
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I once worked for a shop whose owner hated to send guns back to the factory, so I got the "pleasure" of fixing (or trying to fix) a bunch of those cheap automatics. Mostly the problems were due to poor quality springs, but the general shoddiness of the work and poor quality of the other material made them a nightmare to work on. I guess on the law of averages, some must have worked OK, at least for a while, but I would never want to depend on one.
On the other hand, I have fired a fair number of Hi-Points and found them reliable and reasonably accurate, with (in those I fired) no problems. Jim |
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Ask a gun shop whats his most returned firearms, usually /Jimenzs/Brycos/Hi-Point/Taurus just ask them!! I seen Brycos/jimenez in my LGS broken waiting repairs.
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THe material and build quality makes the others better.
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I'm not telling anyone to go out and buy Jennings J-22's. It's really not a good defense gun. I just like to plink with it now and then. I'm just reporting that mine, which I've had for over 20 years, is simply not an awful self-destructing jam-o-matic. But, I will say this - I'll know who has and has not actually shot a J-22 if they can answer this question correctly: What do you hate most about the J-22? Hint: It has nothing to do with looks, zamac, durability, reliability or accuracy. Last edited by Skans; January 28, 2013 at 08:52 AM. |
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January 28, 2013, 10:21 AM | #18 |
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Take what you spent on the Jiminez and Hi Point and see what you could have got. Probably a lot more than what you have.
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In many cases a question like this has merit. In this world in general but especially the internet there is so much bad information around it's hard to sort it all out. Even the old sayin of "one unhappy customer = 10 happy customers" comes into play. Unhappy folk are generally more vocal than happy folk and some things get an undeserved bad rap. But in the case of Bryco, Jennings, Jimenez, Davis, etc the bad reps are deserved. Bad materials, bad designs and bad workmanship. To be honest the first centerfire handgun I ever bought was Bryco 9mm. Looked good in my eyes, felt good, right size, etc. At the range the thing was atrocious. It ran fine but felt like a hand grenade went off in my hands every pull of the trigger and a 2 foot square hunk of cardboard was safe at 50 feet. How long would it of lasted I have no idea, I sent it down the road after a couple 100 rounds.
But there are some things that shooters just have to learn on their own. This is but one example. If I had to guess this same poster may be answering a similar post in a few years and have nothing good to say. Live and learn at least these POS's are a cheap learning experience. |
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I think a lot of people are just repeating what they've read about the J-22. So, I'll ask this again: What do you hate most about the J-22? Hint: It has nothing to do with looks, zamac, durability, reliability or accuracy. And, yes, if you have fired even 50 rounds through this gun, there is only ONE answer. One more thing, if the J-22 was that bad, it would have faded from production many years ago. As it is, it has been in production in one form or another about as long as the Glock 17 and Beretta 92. Contrarily, the Rogak was not in production for very long. Last edited by Skans; January 29, 2013 at 08:59 AM. |
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I've got a JA-22 that has been flawless. The only issue is that I am constantly hitting safety with my thumb and I have to remember to flick it down before shooting.
We had a BUG stage at a Steel match last year and I used it just because I could. Finish third with that little bugger.... |
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As for the R9, I'd never own one. They're expensive pieces of junk. The owner of the company says the gun isn't meant to be shot much. Just load it and shoot a mag or two through it every few months. There's several reports if you look them up of them breaking down after 150-300 rounds, and needing to be sent back to the factory. Any gun that isn't meant to be shot much is one that isn't meant to be carried. I put at least 400 round a month through my carry gun. If a gun can't take that, I won't own it. Quote:
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Keep in mind, I'm not saying that the J-22 is a piece of junk. I'm just saying that the fact that it's still in production is NOT an indication of quality. There are many reasons why something can remain in production, even if the product is junk. Here's a great example...these are still being made (and they've been around since at least the early 80's, possibly the 70's) and anyone who's used them knows they're absolute junk... https://www.ronco.com/products/pocket-fisherman.html |
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I can't speak for the Jiminez bit you
Mentioned you had a Hi-point .40. I have one in .45 and have shot about 400 flawless rounds from it. It is more accurate than any other of the 8 handguns I own. Sig, glock, M&P, ruger. I clean it after every session. For a $150, can't beat it.. :-). If your Jimines works, then it's a GREAT gun.. |
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