Triggers For a Milled Rifle

blackwater1825 · August 2, 2015, 06:55 PM

Before you guys just skip this thread, trust me I have done plenty of research and there just isnt enough people out there that actually shoot their sam7's a lot. I don't like the stock trigger, I like the single hook Arsenal single stage trigger with the Bulgarian hammer (i will watch 922r). Will this trigger work in the Arsenal Sam7r? I have no experience with milled aks so that is why I am asking? Will it work?

blackwater1825 · August 2, 2015, 10:39 PM

Come on guys what do you think I am trying to order what I need but am un able to make the decision.

dakota.potts · August 2, 2015, 10:46 PM

I'm sure you can hold off more than 4 hours before ordering

As far as I know, triggers work with all basic receivers. I thought they even work with PSL and other receivers, but I don't see any reason it wouldn't work on a milled receiver. The difference in the two is something like 1mm total from side to side, I don't see what would cause it to not work.

But I'm sure somebody can come along and verify.

blackwater1825 · August 3, 2015, 01:31 AM

Thanks for the reply. I did not know there was a width difference. I'm gonna order it and try it, as long as the bolt carrier clears the single hook and the hammer strikes square it should work.

Rothdel · August 3, 2015, 08:54 AM

Completely unsolicited advice so take this with a grain of salt.....

If you have to start your thread with a comment begging people to not ignore the thread maybe just maybe you need to reevaluate your posting habits.

Now with that out of the way please get back to asking questions and then answering them yourself several hours later.

blackwater1825 · August 3, 2015, 08:58 AM

Ooohhhhhhhhh....ok...

Fishbed77 · August 3, 2015, 09:29 AM

blackwater1825, you have to be setting a record with (what most would regard as trivial) questions regarding AKs and impatient follow-ups.

Why don't you try a dedicated AK forum like AKfiles.com? Just be forewarned - there is a high noise-to-signal ration there, and you will need thicker skin. But there are a lot of knowledgeable folks there as well that could answer your questions.

dakota.potts · August 3, 2015, 10:35 AM

Many of us have recommended AKfiles for this very thing. Blackwater likes this forum better, which I respect, but an answer would be had already if it was posted there

tirod · August 3, 2015, 11:52 AM

Make or gun specific questions in forums that handle general interest don't get quick responses - the experts are hanging around on boards and subforums with titles like "Alternative AK Triggers."

I don't post questions about AR pistols here. I go to the only forum I've been able to find. Most of the time I read - and the answers are given before I even ask them.

A lot of posters on forums have a small window of opportunity to see and respond to a thread. It's their free time, not on the job, which means they get about an hour or so a day IF they are high frequency. It's a different crowd on the weekend or holidays, too. The ones who can monitor a forum 12 hours a day are either moderators or home employed. Those with the real skills

are working on guns, deployed overseas, on duty, or basically not linked to the net.

Experts are not on call or available in a 4 hour window.

Post, wait 24 hours, respond if answered, wait.

It's considered bad etiquette, even a character flaw, to answer your own post in less than 24 hours unless it's to reveal you found the answer - which then begs the question if research could have been done first. But why bring up the last thread?

As you probably already know, other forums aren't this polite, but having the same issues here that led you to stop posting there isn't going to cut it. Otherwise it will just be another exercise in frustration not changing certain habits that are demonstrably out of tune with the internet in general and gun forums in particular.

Post, wait 24 hours, respond if answered, wait.

As I have found on other forums, you either fit in or eventually get out. I left some, I accept the conditions of staying here. I was sensitive to the limits of what this forum requires, which is a lot more than some.

Which is why so many are being patient and reserved in their responses. Not common on testosterone fueled boards where monkey dancing sorts out the Alphas pretty quick.

I'm going to suggest that if you are shooting 40K rounds a year it places you in the professional class of shooters - by round count alone - and therefore our expectations of behavior are now extremely high, too. That may not be fair but we didn't set the standard, we're just responding to what we've been told.

Like was recently popularized, with great power comes great responsibility, and it wasn't Stan Lee who said it first in Spiderman comics.

Rothdel · August 3, 2015, 02:42 PM

Tirod that is about as well put together thought process and statement I have ever seen on a forum and its community sensibility. Well put.

blackwater1825 · August 3, 2015, 02:54 PM

Wow tirod thanks for your time man you are spot on. Thank you. I wanna compete heavily I just need a shotgun, I'm going forna mossy 900 series. Thanks for advice I will be better.

Kalashn is the Man · August 4, 2015, 05:31 AM

Put a Tapco trigger in it.

I heard that the mag catch on the newer SAM7 isn't heat treated and if you insert mags with metal lugs alot it wears it down until it causes it to not feed properly.

Mannlicher · August 4, 2015, 02:25 PM

I wanted a better trigger for my SA93, milled Bulgarian. I called K-VAR, and they fixed me up with the exact item. Cost was small, shipping was fast.
Being an old fumble fingers, I had my gun smith install the trigger. Works like a charm.

blackwater1825 · August 4, 2015, 10:31 PM

I find that hard to believe that the sam7 has all hammer forged internals but skimps out on the mag catch, if it becomes a problem I will install a new one. Thanks for the heads up. So I am getting weird responses about using the single stage Arsenal trigger with Bulgy hammer in the Sam7r, like this one.

Howdy Shane, Yes the arsenal trigger will work in your gun. I believe
the trigger hole on Arsenal receivers won't fit the trigger.
Thanks, L****

That does not make sense. I will not run a tapco because I just don't like them.

Palmetto-Pride · August 4, 2015, 10:35 PM

I am not a big AK guy I really dont know the difference in this version or that version so take this also with a grain of salt, but what I do know is that Geissele (who makes the very best AR triggers) is coming out with a AK trigger. If I were a AK guy and was changing out my trigger Geissele is the trigger I would want if it would work in my AK.

blackwater1825 · August 4, 2015, 11:17 PM

Oh Im all over that when its in stock BUT I want to make sure that their hammer is not too hard. Ak was designed with hammer to be softer than bolt so hammer peens instead of bolt. Hammer is easier to replace than bolt. I hope Geissele's hammers in their ak triggers are to com block specs in terms of hardness, if they are thats the trigger I am running. They make the best hands down ar trigger but I do know that their hammers are heat treated so well that the sear engagement services don't even change after 20,000 rounds. I hope their ak triggers and hammers are great which I am sure they will be.

drobs · August 5, 2015, 12:30 AM

Tapco G2 is what I use in my 5 AK's. My oldest is a SAR-1 bought in 2001 with umpteen 1000 rounds through it. No problems at all.

Kalashn is the Man · August 5, 2015, 06:39 AM

It wouldn't surprise me that they would skimp out on parts, look at what they did on the finish with the cheap ass spray paint. The finish is the one thing everyone sees and they used cheap stuff for that so why would parts be any different.

I still like all kinds of AKS, but I rarely shoot so I don't see most of the problems you point out.

blackwater1825 · August 5, 2015, 09:07 AM

Ya for the tapco post, I will shoot that much before the month is over easily so I do not want to take the chance. And for the finish, it sounds funny but I like it when it wears off and looks worn and crappy, as long as the gun is good to go finish i dont care so much about, dont care about scratches or anything like that. i am going to run this hard, gonna attend some classes with it, and heck i might even take it to a 3 gun and high power match as my main rifle just to see the look on peoples faces, although I would rather use an ar for that...

Popo the Kalashnman · August 6, 2015, 01:36 AM

Quote:

I heard that the mag catch on the newer SAM7 isn't heat treated and if you insert mags with metal lugs alot it wears it down until it causes it to not feed properly.

This, I have heard several times.

Also

If you shoot that much you should probably order some extra firing pin springs, and don't forget extractors!!!
But I mean if you can afford 10,000$ of ak ammo to shoot a a year, you should probably just buy or better yet built numerous aks.

Man if I had that kind of money I would just buy five or six milled arsenals, set two up the exact same, shoot one extensively, use the other as a shtf prep.. Then keep the others nib (unfired unopened) and sell them during the next election, your profit on those few rifles could buy you ten factory rifles!!!, Or 20+ builds!!
Personally I would make sure to stock up on firing pin springs, extractors, and mag catches.. With that kind of money you could buy 70000 mag catches!!!!!

Fishbed77 · August 6, 2015, 01:56 PM

Quote:

But I mean if you can afford 10,000$ of ak ammo to shoot a a year, you should probably just buy or better yet built numerous aks.

Agreed. I'd just buy a few spare AKs and rotate through them. Sell a few off in a couple years before they wear out completely. Judging by the rise in AK prices over the last 10-15 years, you stand to make a few bucks.

kcub · August 7, 2015, 05:01 PM

I have a red star on my Krink 7.62. Set light it double taps dang near without trying.

I've thought about fixing it.

blackwater1825 · August 9, 2015, 06:40 PM

I think a lot of you are just skimming my posts..cant blame you sometimes but for the 3rd and final time my buddies/shooting partners buy pallets of 7.62x39. They call me up when they need carpentry work or a concrete pathway poured and stamped or run electrical or whatever kind of work like that and they pay me in cases of ammo. Without them I could not shoot that much..so please read this again. I am not rich I am just fortunate to have friends who buy metric tons of ammo (litteraly) and at the same time are remodeling there rentals or their own homes. boom.

kcub · August 10, 2015, 08:01 AM

What is your goal? Accuracy? A trigger "you like"? You'll probably have to call Arsenal to get an answer to your OP question.

The 2 most accurate 7.62x39 rifles I own are a Valmet 62 and a Sig 556R.

blackwater1825 · August 10, 2015, 09:32 AM

556r is not an ak

August 2, 2015, 06:55 PM	#1
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	Triggers For a Milled Rifle Before you guys just skip this thread, trust me I have done plenty of research and there just isnt enough people out there that actually shoot their sam7's a lot. I don't like the stock trigger, I like the single hook Arsenal single stage trigger with the Bulgarian hammer (i will watch 922r). Will this trigger work in the Arsenal Sam7r? I have no experience with milled aks so that is why I am asking? Will it work?

August 2, 2015, 10:46 PM	#3
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	I'm sure you can hold off more than 4 hours before ordering As far as I know, triggers work with all basic receivers. I thought they even work with PSL and other receivers, but I don't see any reason it wouldn't work on a milled receiver. The difference in the two is something like 1mm total from side to side, I don't see what would cause it to not work. But I'm sure somebody can come along and verify. __________________ Certified Gunsmith (On Hiatus) Certified Armorer - H&K and Glock Among Others You can find my writings at my website, pottsprecision.com.

August 3, 2015, 10:35 AM	#8
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	Many of us have recommended AKfiles for this very thing. Blackwater likes this forum better, which I respect, but an answer would be had already if it was posted there __________________ Certified Gunsmith (On Hiatus) Certified Armorer - H&K and Glock Among Others You can find my writings at my website, pottsprecision.com.

August 4, 2015, 02:25 PM	#13
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	I wanted a better trigger for my SA93, milled Bulgarian. I called K-VAR, and they fixed me up with the exact item. Cost was small, shipping was fast. Being an old fumble fingers, I had my gun smith install the trigger. Works like a charm. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

August 4, 2015, 10:35 PM	#15
Palmetto-Pride Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,071	I am not a big AK guy I really dont know the difference in this version or that version so take this also with a grain of salt, but what I do know is that Geissele (who makes the very best AR triggers) is coming out with a AK trigger. If I were a AK guy and was changing out my trigger Geissele is the trigger I would want if it would work in my AK. __________________ “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” -Margaret Thatcher-

August 2, 2015, 10:39 PM	#2
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	Come on guys what do you think I am trying to order what I need but am un able to make the decision.

August 3, 2015, 01:31 AM	#4
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	Thanks for the reply. I did not know there was a width difference. I'm gonna order it and try it, as long as the bolt carrier clears the single hook and the hammer strikes square it should work.

August 3, 2015, 08:54 AM	#5
Rothdel Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 190	Completely unsolicited advice so take this with a grain of salt..... If you have to start your thread with a comment begging people to not ignore the thread maybe just maybe you need to reevaluate your posting habits. Now with that out of the way please get back to asking questions and then answering them yourself several hours later.

August 3, 2015, 08:58 AM	#6
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	Ooohhhhhhhhh....ok...

August 3, 2015, 09:29 AM	#7
Fishbed77 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2010 Posts: 4,862	blackwater1825, you have to be setting a record with (what most would regard as trivial) questions regarding AKs and impatient follow-ups. Why don't you try a dedicated AK forum like AKfiles.com? Just be forewarned - there is a high noise-to-signal ration there, and you will need thicker skin. But there are a lot of knowledgeable folks there as well that could answer your questions.

August 3, 2015, 11:52 AM	#9
tirod Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 1,672	Make or gun specific questions in forums that handle general interest don't get quick responses - the experts are hanging around on boards and subforums with titles like "Alternative AK Triggers." I don't post questions about AR pistols here. I go to the only forum I've been able to find. Most of the time I read - and the answers are given before I even ask them. A lot of posters on forums have a small window of opportunity to see and respond to a thread. It's their free time, not on the job, which means they get about an hour or so a day IF they are high frequency. It's a different crowd on the weekend or holidays, too. The ones who can monitor a forum 12 hours a day are either moderators or home employed. Those with the real skills are working on guns, deployed overseas, on duty, or basically not linked to the net. Experts are not on call or available in a 4 hour window. Post, wait 24 hours, respond if answered, wait. It's considered bad etiquette, even a character flaw, to answer your own post in less than 24 hours unless it's to reveal you found the answer - which then begs the question if research could have been done first. But why bring up the last thread? As you probably already know, other forums aren't this polite, but having the same issues here that led you to stop posting there isn't going to cut it. Otherwise it will just be another exercise in frustration not changing certain habits that are demonstrably out of tune with the internet in general and gun forums in particular. Post, wait 24 hours, respond if answered, wait. As I have found on other forums, you either fit in or eventually get out. I left some, I accept the conditions of staying here. I was sensitive to the limits of what this forum requires, which is a lot more than some. Which is why so many are being patient and reserved in their responses. Not common on testosterone fueled boards where monkey dancing sorts out the Alphas pretty quick. I'm going to suggest that if you are shooting 40K rounds a year it places you in the professional class of shooters - by round count alone - and therefore our expectations of behavior are now extremely high, too. That may not be fair but we didn't set the standard, we're just responding to what we've been told. Like was recently popularized, with great power comes great responsibility, and it wasn't Stan Lee who said it first in Spiderman comics.

August 3, 2015, 02:42 PM	#10
Rothdel Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2015 Posts: 190	Tirod that is about as well put together thought process and statement I have ever seen on a forum and its community sensibility. Well put.

August 3, 2015, 02:54 PM	#11
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	Wow tirod thanks for your time man you are spot on. Thank you. I wanna compete heavily I just need a shotgun, I'm going forna mossy 900 series. Thanks for advice I will be better.

August 4, 2015, 05:31 AM	#12
Kalashn is the Man Junior Member Join Date: July 22, 2015 Posts: 10	Put a Tapco trigger in it. I heard that the mag catch on the newer SAM7 isn't heat treated and if you insert mags with metal lugs alot it wears it down until it causes it to not feed properly.

August 4, 2015, 10:31 PM	#14
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	I find that hard to believe that the sam7 has all hammer forged internals but skimps out on the mag catch, if it becomes a problem I will install a new one. Thanks for the heads up. So I am getting weird responses about using the single stage Arsenal trigger with Bulgy hammer in the Sam7r, like this one. Howdy Shane, Yes the arsenal trigger will work in your gun. I believe the trigger hole on Arsenal receivers won't fit the trigger. Thanks, L**** That does not make sense. I will not run a tapco because I just don't like them.

August 4, 2015, 11:17 PM	#16
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	Oh Im all over that when its in stock BUT I want to make sure that their hammer is not too hard. Ak was designed with hammer to be softer than bolt so hammer peens instead of bolt. Hammer is easier to replace than bolt. I hope Geissele's hammers in their ak triggers are to com block specs in terms of hardness, if they are thats the trigger I am running. They make the best hands down ar trigger but I do know that their hammers are heat treated so well that the sear engagement services don't even change after 20,000 rounds. I hope their ak triggers and hammers are great which I am sure they will be.

August 5, 2015, 12:30 AM	#17
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Tapco G2 is what I use in my 5 AK's. My oldest is a SAR-1 bought in 2001 with umpteen 1000 rounds through it. No problems at all.

August 5, 2015, 06:39 AM	#18
Kalashn is the Man Junior Member Join Date: July 22, 2015 Posts: 10	It wouldn't surprise me that they would skimp out on parts, look at what they did on the finish with the cheap ass spray paint. The finish is the one thing everyone sees and they used cheap stuff for that so why would parts be any different. I still like all kinds of AKS, but I rarely shoot so I don't see most of the problems you point out.

August 5, 2015, 09:07 AM	#19
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	Ya for the tapco post, I will shoot that much before the month is over easily so I do not want to take the chance. And for the finish, it sounds funny but I like it when it wears off and looks worn and crappy, as long as the gun is good to go finish i dont care so much about, dont care about scratches or anything like that. i am going to run this hard, gonna attend some classes with it, and heck i might even take it to a 3 gun and high power match as my main rifle just to see the look on peoples faces, although I would rather use an ar for that...

August 7, 2015, 05:01 PM	#22
kcub Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 3,318	I have a red star on my Krink 7.62. Set light it double taps dang near without trying. I've thought about fixing it.

August 9, 2015, 06:40 PM	#23
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	I think a lot of you are just skimming my posts..cant blame you sometimes but for the 3rd and final time my buddies/shooting partners buy pallets of 7.62x39. They call me up when they need carpentry work or a concrete pathway poured and stamped or run electrical or whatever kind of work like that and they pay me in cases of ammo. Without them I could not shoot that much..so please read this again. I am not rich I am just fortunate to have friends who buy metric tons of ammo (litteraly) and at the same time are remodeling there rentals or their own homes. boom.

August 10, 2015, 08:01 AM	#24
kcub Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 3,318	What is your goal? Accuracy? A trigger "you like"? You'll probably have to call Arsenal to get an answer to your OP question. The 2 most accurate 7.62x39 rifles I own are a Valmet 62 and a Sig 556R.

August 10, 2015, 09:32 AM	#25
blackwater1825 Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2015 Posts: 150	556r is not an ak