I found an old cz pistole

from the Hip · May 29, 2006, 12:13 AM

My Father recently passed. As we (my siblings and I) where Preparing his house for sale I found a gun with some stuff of my grandfathers in a old shoe shine kit, of all places. the gun is a CZ with markings on the side as follows "fnh Pistole Modell 27 Kal. 7.65" .
I suspect that this might be a war trophy of my grandfathers from WWII. I had heard that My uncle lost an old Walther P38 from the war during a black bear hunt in the late 1960's. but I have no idea where this CZ gun came from or if my father even knew it exsisted.
Might anyone know anything about this , is 7.62 still in use? Any info would be apereciated.
Thanks

leadcounsel · May 29, 2006, 12:15 AM

I would not make a habit of posting serial numbers for guns on websites... for instance someone could report it as stolen...

**Mike Irwin** · May 29, 2006, 07:55 AM

7.65 is the European designation for the .32 ACP cartridge.

Many, many thousands of CZ 27s were made. Decent guns.

BlueTrain · June 1, 2006, 12:22 PM

I didn't see any serial number posted.

The CZ27 was an issue army pistol as was the predecessor CZ24. The earlier pistol actually came in a special caliber but some were converted, I believe. They are quite interesting, at least to me, though I've never owned one. They are rather overbuilt for the caliber and there is a slight danger from the stiker if it breaks, or so I've read.

mete · June 2, 2006, 12:08 AM

The CZ 24 is a rotating barrel locked breech pistol in 380 [9mm short]. The CZ 27 is a blowback in 32 acp [ 7.65]. The CZ 24 is an excellent pistol ,I used to have one.

wyrdone · June 2, 2006, 10:25 AM

I have one of the newer CZ-50's and I absolutely love the nice purple blueing technique they used.

The CZ-50 I have is also build like a tank (like most good military arms) and aside from some wear & tear on the magazine catch still function very well.

I also have a CZ-52....one of the MOST fun range guns I have ever bought.

from the Hip · June 3, 2006, 12:14 PM

on the top of the slide infront of the rear sight there is a small nazi eagle aprox 0.08 wide. withc made me wonder why a check weapon has german markings.

RJay · June 3, 2006, 01:04 PM

Of course you know from reading your High School history lessons that the Germans overran a number of countries in WW II. To feed their enomous war machine, one of their first actions when entering a conquered contry was to take over their weapon industry. Czechoslovakia was no exception. The Germans simplified the designed of the CZ 24 and it was issued to second line troops. The " nazi eagle" was part of the proofing and Wehrmacht acceptance marking, by the way, why is it an "Nazi" eagle ?, why not just a German Eagle since the German proof of an Eagle over an N is still in use ( since 1941) today. Also as was posted the 7.65 is nothing more tham the common .32 ACP.

mete · June 3, 2006, 01:27 PM

The Czechs have an excellent history with firearms . In fact there is more than one 'German" gun that was designed by Czechs ! Their manufacturing was top of the line too.M98s made by the Czechs are among the best.

**Mike Irwin** · June 3, 2006, 06:25 PM

I have Polish and French weapons with the Nazi eagle, also known as the Waffnamt (sp?) or acceptance mark.

May 29, 2006, 12:13 AM	#1
from the Hip Member Join Date: May 28, 2006 Posts: 33	I found an old cz pistole My Father recently passed. As we (my siblings and I) where Preparing his house for sale I found a gun with some stuff of my grandfathers in a old shoe shine kit, of all places. the gun is a CZ with markings on the side as follows "fnh Pistole Modell 27 Kal. 7.65" . I suspect that this might be a war trophy of my grandfathers from WWII. I had heard that My uncle lost an old Walther P38 from the war during a black bear hunt in the late 1960's. but I have no idea where this CZ gun came from or if my father even knew it exsisted. Might anyone know anything about this , is 7.62 still in use? Any info would be apereciated. Thanks

May 29, 2006, 07:55 AM	#3
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	7.65 is the European designation for the .32 ACP cartridge. Many, many thousands of CZ 27s were made. Decent guns. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 1, 2006, 12:22 PM	#4
BlueTrain Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 6,141	I didn't see any serial number posted. The CZ27 was an issue army pistol as was the predecessor CZ24. The earlier pistol actually came in a special caliber but some were converted, I believe. They are quite interesting, at least to me, though I've never owned one. They are rather overbuilt for the caliber and there is a slight danger from the stiker if it breaks, or so I've read. __________________ Shoot low, sheriff. They're riding Shetlands! Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag, and return us to our own beloved homes! Buy War Bonds.

June 2, 2006, 10:25 AM	#6
wyrdone Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2004 Location: Blacksburg, VA, USA Posts: 246	I have one of the newer CZ-50's and I absolutely love the nice purple blueing technique they used. The CZ-50 I have is also build like a tank (like most good military arms) and aside from some wear & tear on the magazine catch still function very well. I also have a CZ-52....one of the MOST fun range guns I have ever bought. __________________ Current Collection Marlin Model 60 (my first gun) Ruger Mark-II .22LR Competition pistol (heavily modified) CZ-50 CVA Bobcat .50Cal Blackpower Mosin Nagant 91/30 (1942) Marlin 336 .30-30 Lever Action Yugo SKS 59/66 CZ-52 Bulgarian Makarov Swiss K-31 Rock Island 1911A1 Near Future (hopefully): M1 Garand CZ-75

June 3, 2006, 06:25 PM	#10
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	I have Polish and French weapons with the Nazi eagle, also known as the Waffnamt (sp?) or acceptance mark. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

May 29, 2006, 12:15 AM	#2
leadcounsel Junior member Join Date: September 8, 2005 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 2,119	I would not make a habit of posting serial numbers for guns on websites... for instance someone could report it as stolen...

June 2, 2006, 12:08 AM	#5
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	The CZ 24 is a rotating barrel locked breech pistol in 380 [9mm short]. The CZ 27 is a blowback in 32 acp [ 7.65]. The CZ 24 is an excellent pistol ,I used to have one.

June 3, 2006, 12:14 PM	#7
from the Hip Member Join Date: May 28, 2006 Posts: 33	on the top of the slide infront of the rear sight there is a small nazi eagle aprox 0.08 wide. withc made me wonder why a check weapon has german markings.

June 3, 2006, 01:04 PM	#8
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	Of course you know from reading your High School history lessons that the Germans overran a number of countries in WW II. To feed their enomous war machine, one of their first actions when entering a conquered contry was to take over their weapon industry. Czechoslovakia was no exception. The Germans simplified the designed of the CZ 24 and it was issued to second line troops. The " nazi eagle" was part of the proofing and Wehrmacht acceptance marking, by the way, why is it an "Nazi" eagle ?, why not just a German Eagle since the German proof of an Eagle over an N is still in use ( since 1941) today. Also as was posted the 7.65 is nothing more tham the common .32 ACP.

June 3, 2006, 01:27 PM	#9
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	The Czechs have an excellent history with firearms . In fact there is more than one 'German" gun that was designed by Czechs ! Their manufacturing was top of the line too.M98s made by the Czechs are among the best.