Remington 11-87 Police reliability

91B40 · December 6, 2002, 10:47 PM

Has anyone any experience of or information about the reliability of the Remington 11-87P shotgun with reduced-recoil "tactical" buckshot loads?

Al in Md. · December 7, 2002, 09:41 AM

91B40, Mine feels a little slugish w/ reduced recoil loads. A small difference exists in the gas ststem in the 1187 Police models in that they are designed for full power loads. Although the reduced power loads cycle my action enough to operate, it does not feel positive enough for HD use. I can use them at the range, however if I was loading up for HD use I would stick with full power rounds. Last time I looked at the Rem. website the 1187P were listed as suitable for reduced power loads. However when looking at the Shotshell section of the site the reduced power loads have a note about possible failures to cycle in selfloading shotguns. I find that the reduction in recoil afforded by the gas system negates the need for reduced recoil loads. Hope this helps.

Oleg Volk · December 7, 2002, 03:40 PM

Two examples I've used (older wood-stocked and "pre-scattergun") have been 100% with everything, incl. trap loads.

buzz_knox · December 7, 2002, 03:47 PM

I've seen an SCT 1187P conversion operate well for most of a training course with tactical loads. It promptly failed with those same loads right on qualification day. Fortunately, someone using a pump had some full power loads and was more than willing to trade for the tac loads. The 1187P was flawless after that.

Intel6 · December 8, 2002, 01:07 PM

I have had my 11-87P for 2+ years now and haven't had any reliability issues when using proper ammo. I have run Fed tactical stuff through it without any problems. I mainly shoot the Federal wal mart stuff (1 1/8th oz of shot 3 dram) or my handloads that are 1 oz. of shot in a 3+ dram power level.

The only time I had a problem was when I tired some Remington reduced recoil slugs. The hulls wouldn't even eject out of the gun they were so weak.

91B40 · December 8, 2002, 04:35 PM

Thanks for the replies. I have been considering buying an 11-87P but I guess that I need a bit more convincing! Maybe I'll get another Marine Magnum and send it off to Wilson's for the Trak-Lok sights...?

9x45 · December 8, 2002, 08:33 PM

1187SP's won't run reliability on low power field loads, the $3 a box 'dust load' The gas port is designed to operate on low recoil buck or better. Heavy/fast field loads run fine. I have fired somewhere around 2,000 rounds thru mine without a problem.

evilcat · December 9, 2002, 12:48 AM

91B40,

Why do you need more convining? The 1187-P is very reliable. Yeah...it does not handle "reduced-recoil" loads well, but no gas shutgun does. However, with gas shutguns you do not need "reduced-recoil" loads. The gas porting reduces the recoil enough that you do not need to use "reduced-recoil" loads.

December 6, 2002, 10:47 PM	#1
91B40 Member Join Date: November 8, 2002 Location: Crescent City, CA Posts: 17	Remington 11-87 Police reliability Has anyone any experience of or information about the reliability of the Remington 11-87P shotgun with reduced-recoil "tactical" buckshot loads?

December 7, 2002, 09:41 AM	#2
Al in Md. Member Join Date: October 27, 2001 Posts: 77	91B40, Mine feels a little slugish w/ reduced recoil loads. A small difference exists in the gas ststem in the 1187 Police models in that they are designed for full power loads. Although the reduced power loads cycle my action enough to operate, it does not feel positive enough for HD use. I can use them at the range, however if I was loading up for HD use I would stick with full power rounds. Last time I looked at the Rem. website the 1187P were listed as suitable for reduced power loads. However when looking at the Shotshell section of the site the reduced power loads have a note about possible failures to cycle in selfloading shotguns. I find that the reduction in recoil afforded by the gas system negates the need for reduced recoil loads. Hope this helps. __________________ The Peoples Republic of Maryland, #1 Robbery Rate in the Nation and all we get is more gun laws.

December 7, 2002, 03:40 PM	#3
Oleg Volk Staff Alumnus Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 7,022	Two examples I've used (older wood-stocked and "pre-scattergun") have been 100% with everything, incl. trap loads. __________________ Oleg "peacemonger" Volk blog.olevolk.net

December 8, 2002, 04:35 PM	#6
91B40 Member Join Date: November 8, 2002 Location: Crescent City, CA Posts: 17	Thanks for the info Thanks for the replies. I have been considering buying an 11-87P but I guess that I need a bit more convincing! Maybe I'll get another Marine Magnum and send it off to Wilson's for the Trak-Lok sights...?

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December 7, 2002, 03:47 PM	#4
buzz_knox Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Location: Knoxville, in the Free State of Tennesse Posts: 4,190	I've seen an SCT 1187P conversion operate well for most of a training course with tactical loads. It promptly failed with those same loads right on qualification day. Fortunately, someone using a pump had some full power loads and was more than willing to trade for the tac loads. The 1187P was flawless after that.

December 8, 2002, 01:07 PM	#5
Intel6 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2000 Posts: 425	I have had my 11-87P for 2+ years now and haven't had any reliability issues when using proper ammo. I have run Fed tactical stuff through it without any problems. I mainly shoot the Federal wal mart stuff (1 1/8th oz of shot 3 dram) or my handloads that are 1 oz. of shot in a 3+ dram power level. The only time I had a problem was when I tired some Remington reduced recoil slugs. The hulls wouldn't even eject out of the gun they were so weak.

December 8, 2002, 08:33 PM	#7
9x45 Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2000 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,089	1187SP's won't run reliability on low power field loads, the $3 a box 'dust load' The gas port is designed to operate on low recoil buck or better. Heavy/fast field loads run fine. I have fired somewhere around 2,000 rounds thru mine without a problem.

December 9, 2002, 12:48 AM	#8
evilcat Junior Member Join Date: January 6, 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1	91B40, Why do you need more convining? The 1187-P is very reliable. Yeah...it does not handle "reduced-recoil" loads well, but no gas shutgun does. However, with gas shutguns you do not need "reduced-recoil" loads. The gas porting reduces the recoil enough that you do not need to use "reduced-recoil" loads.