7.62x25 questions

Barneveld · August 4, 2013, 02:29 AM

I am a huge fan of the 7.62x25 cartridge and own several firearms for it. I realize that, to be truly happy, I must start reloading my own shells. I come across a few "creative concerns" that I need some help with though.

1. Being that the bullet diameter is .308, am I stuck using the small 85 grain projectile, or is it possible to succesfully--key word--use spitzer style rifle projectiles of the same diameter? If seated so the overall length is the same, would this cause excessive pressure for tokarev type pistols?

2. I use slow powders whenever possible. What would be the ideal powder for use with a 4.5in or standard pistol barrel?

I greatly appreciate any comments and would love to see pictures if anyone else has been able to successfully load a bullet like I have described.

John C · August 4, 2013, 03:02 AM

Speer makes two .308 bullets that should work, the 100 gr. TMJ and the 110 gr. Plinker. Check those out.

Strafer Gott · August 4, 2013, 10:37 AM

I've reloaded the 100gr. half jacket and Unique with good results. The pistol design theory is bullet velocity. Stick with the lighter pills.

jag2 · August 4, 2013, 06:28 PM

I've loaded the 85s but mostly 110, reason being I've loaded for m-1 carbine a long time and have plenty on hand. They certainly worked fine but I don't shoot that gun enough to say one was better than the other. They cycled with no problems and are a lot cheaper to shoot than the 85s. That's good enough for me. If you're a serious shooter of that round maybe you'll be able to tell if there's any difference. I would certainly give it a try.

snuffy · August 4, 2013, 07:04 PM

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/729...int-box-of-100

I use the above bullet in my cz-52. The bores of those pistols vary a bunch, some are as big as .311. Mine does well with the 90 XTP. I also load a 100 grain lead from a lee .308 rifle mold. Actually made for the 30 carbine.

Lee liquid alox dipped then moved after draining for a while.

Those shot quite well, as well as that crude military style pistol can shoot.

Main problem is finding the cases. The ejection is,,,---vigorous

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tahunua001 · August 4, 2013, 07:55 PM

there are a number of shorty 308 bullets between 85 and 110gr designed for 30 carbine, they should work fine in tokarev.

sc928porsche · August 5, 2013, 03:08 AM

I use Sierra 110 gr in both 7.62x25 and .30 carbine.

Barneveld · August 5, 2013, 11:41 PM

Wow. Thanks for all the great info. Has anyone used a spitzer-type bullet in a tok or cz pistol successfully. Would that put the bullet OAL beyond specs?

Magnum Wheel Man · August 6, 2013, 09:55 AM

I do a lot of this "type" of reloading... I think you'll find the spitzer type bullets have too long a "taper" & thus are too small a diameter where they would meet the case mouth, & still be at an acceptable COL... you'll need something with a more blunt bullet shape

jag2 · August 6, 2013, 09:56 AM

Haven't tried it but yes I think the OAL could be a problem and wonder about feeding problem. I can't think of any semi auto using that type bullet, may be some but I'm not aware of them. The mental image I have is the bullet sticking way down in the case with vert little contact between the bullet and the brass because it has such a short neck. If you could buy a small quantity it may be worth experimenting but I've got my doubts you will be happy with the results.

Barneveld · August 6, 2013, 01:13 PM

Thanks for all of the input. I don't think I will be trying to use spitzer bullets if so many problems are envisioned.

August 4, 2013, 02:29 AM	#1
Barneveld Member Join Date: November 5, 2012 Posts: 36	7.62x25 questions I am a huge fan of the 7.62x25 cartridge and own several firearms for it. I realize that, to be truly happy, I must start reloading my own shells. I come across a few "creative concerns" that I need some help with though. 1. Being that the bullet diameter is .308, am I stuck using the small 85 grain projectile, or is it possible to succesfully--key word--use spitzer style rifle projectiles of the same diameter? If seated so the overall length is the same, would this cause excessive pressure for tokarev type pistols? 2. I use slow powders whenever possible. What would be the ideal powder for use with a 4.5in or standard pistol barrel? I greatly appreciate any comments and would love to see pictures if anyone else has been able to successfully load a bullet like I have described.

August 4, 2013, 07:04 PM	#5
snuffy Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2001 Location: Oshkosh wi. Posts: 3,055	http://www.midwayusa.com/product/729...int-box-of-100 I use the above bullet in my cz-52. The bores of those pistols vary a bunch, some are as big as .311. Mine does well with the 90 XTP. I also load a 100 grain lead from a lee .308 rifle mold. Actually made for the 30 carbine. Lee liquid alox dipped then moved after draining for a while. Those shot quite well, as well as that crude military style pistol can shoot. Main problem is finding the cases. The ejection is,,,---vigorous! __________________ The more people I meet, the more I love my dog They're going to get their butts kicked over there this election. How come people can't spell and use words correctly?

August 4, 2013, 07:55 PM	#6
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	there are a number of shorty 308 bullets between 85 and 110gr designed for 30 carbine, they should work fine in tokarev. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

August 5, 2013, 03:08 AM	#7
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2008 Location: now living in alabama Posts: 2,433	I use Sierra 110 gr in both 7.62x25 and .30 carbine. __________________ No such thing as a stupid question. What is stupid is not asking it.

August 6, 2013, 09:55 AM	#9
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	I do a lot of this "type" of reloading... I think you'll find the spitzer type bullets have too long a "taper" & thus are too small a diameter where they would meet the case mouth, & still be at an acceptable COL... you'll need something with a more blunt bullet shape __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust...

August 4, 2013, 03:02 AM	#2
John C Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2005 Posts: 127	Speer makes two .308 bullets that should work, the 100 gr. TMJ and the 110 gr. Plinker. Check those out.

August 4, 2013, 10:37 AM	#3
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,315	I've reloaded the 100gr. half jacket and Unique with good results. The pistol design theory is bullet velocity. Stick with the lighter pills.

August 4, 2013, 06:28 PM	#4
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	I've loaded the 85s but mostly 110, reason being I've loaded for m-1 carbine a long time and have plenty on hand. They certainly worked fine but I don't shoot that gun enough to say one was better than the other. They cycled with no problems and are a lot cheaper to shoot than the 85s. That's good enough for me. If you're a serious shooter of that round maybe you'll be able to tell if there's any difference. I would certainly give it a try.

August 5, 2013, 11:41 PM	#8
Barneveld Member Join Date: November 5, 2012 Posts: 36	Wow. Thanks for all the great info. Has anyone used a spitzer-type bullet in a tok or cz pistol successfully. Would that put the bullet OAL beyond specs?

August 6, 2013, 09:56 AM	#10
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	Haven't tried it but yes I think the OAL could be a problem and wonder about feeding problem. I can't think of any semi auto using that type bullet, may be some but I'm not aware of them. The mental image I have is the bullet sticking way down in the case with vert little contact between the bullet and the brass because it has such a short neck. If you could buy a small quantity it may be worth experimenting but I've got my doubts you will be happy with the results.

August 6, 2013, 01:13 PM	#11
Barneveld Member Join Date: November 5, 2012 Posts: 36	Thanks for all of the input. I don't think I will be trying to use spitzer bullets if so many problems are envisioned.

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