Police: Man burglarizing vehicle in Downtown El Paso shot by its owner

barstoolguru · November 13, 2011, 05:40 PM

The two became involved in a verbal confrontation, and the vehicle's owner, 53, produced a handgun and shot the alleged burglar. Police would not disclose whether the owner had a concealed handgun license. The names were not released.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_193225...ce=most_viewed

therealdeal · November 13, 2011, 06:05 PM

thanx for posting...my post just put me on the notification list too

Patriot86 · November 13, 2011, 08:03 PM

Can't wait to hear more details, sounds like one less bad guy in the world though.

secret_agent_man · November 13, 2011, 10:36 PM

Burglary usually pertains to inhabited dwellings and buildings. Not sure if a car can be burgled. If the crime was not burglary, the shooter loses statutory safe harbor to use deadly force against buglers night or day. Unless the law has been changed, a homicide to stop a theft during daylight hours is not justifiable. But it's El Paso. The shooter will likely walk, and may be allowed to keep the scalp.

**tyme** · November 14, 2011, 12:04 AM

The TX statute regarding vehicle break-ins is called vehicle burglary. Whether that's semantically correct or not is an open question, but they're just calling it what the TX legislature called it.

Quote:

Sec. 30.04. BURGLARY OF VEHICLES. (a) A person commits an offense if, without the effective consent of the owner, he breaks into or enters a vehicle or any part of a vehicle with intent to commit any felony or theft.

Double Naught Spy · November 14, 2011, 01:12 AM

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Burglary usually pertains to inhabited dwellings and buildings. Not sure if a car can be burgled.

What burglary may or may not usually pertain to is not relevant in this case. What is relevant is if vehicle burglary is defined by law in the state in which it occurs and in this case, it does. It does in many states.

For a car, home, or other building to be burgled, it need not be occupied in order to fit the definition.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u.../htm/PE.30.htm

Pond, James Pond · November 14, 2011, 06:06 AM

Quote:

secret_agent_man wrote:
the shooter loses statutory safe harbor to use deadly force against buglers night or day.

Anyone who insists on playing a little trumpet in the middle of the night deserves to at least get shot at, if not shot...

In the day it depends if they play well.

OK....I'll get my coat...

**Aguila Blanca** · November 14, 2011, 11:20 AM

^^^ I see what you did there ...

hogdogs · November 14, 2011, 12:12 PM

Car burglary is often called burglary of a conveyance as it is in Florida.

Brent

ltc444 · November 14, 2011, 04:01 PM

Sounds like the shooter, 53 was in fear for his life.

Bet the perp was ordered to leave. He refused to comply. Turned toward the owner and threatened him. The owner then defended hiimself.

Hope that is what happened.

Hardcase · November 14, 2011, 04:58 PM

I keep asking the question, "Is your stuff worth some guy's life", but I suppose that the opposite should be asked of the numbskulls who commit burglaries: "Is some guy's stuff worth your life?"

I guess, though, that if the burglar ransacking your stuff was a thinking man, he wouldn't be a burglar.

Glenn E. Meyer · November 14, 2011, 05:15 PM

Just noticed this. Despite the commentary by others, the initial post is a drive by.

Thus, closed.

November 13, 2011, 05:40 PM	#1
barstoolguru Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2011 Posts: 180	Police: Man burglarizing vehicle in Downtown El Paso shot by its owner The two became involved in a verbal confrontation, and the vehicle's owner, 53, produced a handgun and shot the alleged burglar. Police would not disclose whether the owner had a concealed handgun license. The names were not released. http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_193225...ce=most_viewed

November 13, 2011, 06:05 PM	#2
therealdeal Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2010 Posts: 627	you might want to add a little so it isn't closed as a drive-by thanx for posting...my post just put me on the notification list too __________________ NRA Distinguished Life Member "Abraham Lincoln freed all men, but Sam Colt made them all equal." (post Civil War slogan)

November 14, 2011, 04:58 PM	#11
Hardcase Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Location: Sunny Southern Idaho Posts: 1,909	I keep asking the question, "Is your stuff worth some guy's life", but I suppose that the opposite should be asked of the numbskulls who commit burglaries: "Is some guy's stuff worth your life?" I guess, though, that if the burglar ransacking your stuff was a thinking man, he wouldn't be a burglar. __________________ Well we don't rent pigs and I figure it's better to say it right out front because a man that does like to rent pigs is... he's hard to stop - Gus McCrae

November 14, 2011, 05:15 PM	#12
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Just noticed this. Despite the commentary by others, the initial post is a drive by. Thus, closed. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

November 13, 2011, 08:03 PM	#3
Patriot86 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2010 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,293	Can't wait to hear more details, sounds like one less bad guy in the world though.

November 13, 2011, 10:36 PM	#4
secret_agent_man Junior member Join Date: March 25, 2011 Posts: 463	Burglary usually pertains to inhabited dwellings and buildings. Not sure if a car can be burgled. If the crime was not burglary, the shooter loses statutory safe harbor to use deadly force against buglers night or day. Unless the law has been changed, a homicide to stop a theft during daylight hours is not justifiable. But it's El Paso. The shooter will likely walk, and may be allowed to keep the scalp.

November 14, 2011, 11:20 AM	#8
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	^^^ I see what you did there ...

November 14, 2011, 12:12 PM	#9
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Car burglary is often called burglary of a conveyance as it is in Florida. Brent

November 14, 2011, 04:01 PM	#10
ltc444 Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2011 Location: Vernon AZ Posts: 1,195	Sounds like the shooter, 53 was in fear for his life. Bet the perp was ordered to leave. He refused to comply. Turned toward the owner and threatened him. The owner then defended hiimself. Hope that is what happened.