October 15, 2015, 08:48 AM | #1 |
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What 22 rifle brand is most accurate?
New manufacture or old guns? Heard of different opinions on bore cleaning 22's. Some say never, due to lead collar or ring that forms enhance accuracy...others say clean often i shoot in new york state 22 sporter rifle league. Standing, 3 targets, each target has 5 bulls, 2 shots each, total 30 shots. |
October 15, 2015, 10:57 AM | #2 |
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The CZ 452 Military Trainer seems like the one I would choose if i wanted high accuracy in a .22 bolt gun.
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October 15, 2015, 11:06 AM | #3 |
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I've got a Winchester 69 that works well.
I've got a Savage B92 biathlon rifle that works well. I had a Savage mark 2 that was heavy but a very accurate .22. I traded it to a friend who whacks prairie dogs with it. I had a Marlin 2000 biathlon rifle that was very good. I don't know if I've ever run into a .22 rifle that was inaccurate enough to make me angry.
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You can buy an Anschutz ($1500 and up). Or you can buy a Ruger 10/22 for $200. By the time you have it shooting like an Anschutz you spent about $1500, and have the original 10/22 back as it now contains no Ruger made part anymore .
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+2 for the Cz line of 22s.....I have two CZ 452s....one a FS...the other a varmint....both are capable of shooting to the very extent of your talent to do so.
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Check out a Winchester Model 52. Discontinued in the late 70's - early 80's when Anschutz became more popular, but in its heyday was the most accurate 22 available. Prices vary all over the place from $500 to $2000 or more. If you're looking for something more modern, go with an Anschutz model you can afford.
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My BSA Henry Martini is boringly accurate.
My Yonkers Kimber Custom came with a factory target --- 5 shot/3/8" group @ 50 yards --- but it has been discontinued. I still wouldn't turn down a Cooper though.
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Talking about accuracy in any .22LR is kind of useless UNLESS you also include a parallel discussion about the ammo you are going to use in it. Even a $1500 Anschutz won't shoot the kind of groups you want if you feed it ammo that it doesn't like.
Rimfire ammo is notoriously inconsistent - both in itself (from shot to shot velocity ) and with how it reacts with different barrels. Over the last decade or so, it seems to be getting worse in quality instead of better. It isn't always a cost factor as some barrels will group just as well or better with cheap ammo as they will with the high-dollar match stuff. |
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I remember in the '60's and '70's the competition was between Winchester 52's and the Anschutz 54 rifles. Winchester seemed to do better at Camp Perry and Anschutz basically owned the Olympics. Eley ammo reigned supreme back then.
Winchester left the field to Anschutz and while Eley ammo is still maybe the best out there, I've heard it's not as good as it used to be. For a while my very own local .22 ammo manufacturer (Federal) took it upon themselves to make Olympic quality ammo (and they did !!!) but as I understand it that level of quality has fallen off. If you don't have an unlimited budget then (IMhO) if you don't want to buy used CZ gets the nod for out of the box accuracy. If you want to go used then Winchester 52 or Remington 40x might do it for you but they are almost as expensive as an Anschutz. |
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WZ 78 bolt action with CCI sv around $300.00 $350.00
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I have a CZ-452 Trainer, Ruger M77-22 and an Anschutz MPR64. The CZ and the Ruger have been worked on and will shoot right with the Annie at 50 yards. Those two rifles do not seem to favor any particular brand of ammo. The Annie IS particular with the ammo it likes. Wolf Match, SK Standard and Center X seem to run well. Any supersonic ammo is all over the place.
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Nobody knows what the most accurate rifle is,,,
Nobody knows what the most accurate rifle is,,,
Because, truly, how would we know? It would take scientific testing from fixed benches to determine that,,, And even then there would be variables skewing the results. There are some rifle brands that are more of a sure bet than others,,, Anschutz, Cooper, and Kimber are three very accurate guns. After that I would say the CZ and the high end Savages would come next,,, I doubt I would be able to outshoot any of those two. I own a CZ-452 Military Trainer,,, It's a superbly built rifle for under $400.00,,, I doubt whether I would do much better with any other rifle. I would bet that most shooters are like me,,, They would never outgrow a decent CZ or Savage. Aarond .
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Go back to post #9, a rifle is only as good as the ammo it is fed. Having an available supply of ammo that the rifle shoots the best is a really iffy thing nowadays. I have quite a bit of Winchester match that is about twenty years old from my target days now i am using it for plinking but all of my rifles and pistols seem not to mind. I received a case of Aguila gold .22 from CMP in their last major order before things went to pot, my Browning 1911 C and S&W M& P .22 pistols really like that stuff, and rifles like the 15-22 function without a burp.
As for the rifle to shoot target i would survey the appropriate rifles that are easy to acquire and see which fit best and are affordable. Gunbroker surfing will bring about any rifle you wish but affordable is another issue with auctions. |
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I'll also vote for the CZ 452. It's been too long since I shot mine. Here it is in its Boyd's stock
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In the 1940s-1950s, the answer would've been Remington's 5-"teener" series of .22 rifles (models 510, 514, etc.), but that - sad to say - was back during the Golden Age of American firearms manufacturing which has long been over. Quote:
The two exceptions are a CZ 453 and an old Ruger "All-Weather" stainless 77/22. I had the barrels on both shortened and threaded for my Surefire Ryder can. So to keep the can somewhat clean from building-up with gunky lead residue, I'll run a bore snake thru the barrels every 50-rds or so. Last edited by agtman; October 18, 2015 at 06:01 PM. |
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Just pick up a CZ 452 and you'll be happy.
I believe Whittakers in Owensboro, Ky. has them in again for right at $370.00.
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My 514 that is was made in '49 shoots under half an inch with the right ammo at 50 yards and original sights.
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I'm a Ruger American advocate so I will throw that into the mix as well. My RARR compact is a real good shooter and my go to squirrel gun. It likes cheap ammo too, shoots T-bolts better than anything else. Ten shot group at 75 yards on a Caldwell Lead Sled. Not target grade but dang good for a hunting rifle on cheap ammo.
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I love the way CZ's look and shoot. What I can't get past, however, is their danged backwards safeties.
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Ironically (in the low end class) two of the most accurate .22s I have ever shot were a Remington 580 and a Winchester Model 67. They were cheap single shot rifles and the accuracy was all out of proportion for what they were.
Of course, for competition in high school and college, I preferred the 52D.
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No such thing as a best brand for anything. What's your budget?
An Anschutz can start at $1200ish. MSRP on their 1710 D HB Sporter is $2650.00. $1215.00 for their 9 pound 1903 Target with no sights. Anschutz is not the only game though. And regardless of what you buy you will have to try a box of as many brands of ammo as you can to find the ammo your new rifle shoots best. The cost of said ammo means nothing.
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In my experiments with an Anschutz and a tuned 10/22 the performance seemed to track the price of the ammo directly. From over 3" at 50 yards with the 550 box HV ammo to a single 8 mm hole with Eley Tennex. The 10/22 went from 6" to ragged hole with Eley Match, Tennex didn't give any more improvement in the current setup.
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Senacahornet, I too shoot in the Sporter rifle league.
I have been thinking aobut upgrading. I shoot a remington 541-T with out the heavy barrel, it was not an option the year I bought it, around 2002. My scores are into the 280s, so I was wondering if its time to upgrade. I like a thumbhole stock. I looked at boyds. They have one for the 541-T Bull barrel. I am thinking maybe just a new scope. Trigger is at 24 oz right now and will not go lower. Looking at a CZ, was thinking about an annie, but the used one I saw was more than a new one. Thanks for the discussion, I am looking .... David |
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I read a very convincing article years ago that made good sense regards to OVER cleaning the bore of a .22 and IMPROPER cleaning doing much harm as well.
One culprit is cheap cleaning rods. Buy a good quality, steel rod, one piece, and avoid collapseable aluminum at all cost. And clean from the breech, always if possible. My own practice is to rod clean the bore with a brush only when I note a drop in accuracy. And that does not happen all that often.......I have a Ruger 77/22, stainless that has never had a rod down the barrel, just a pull thru/bore snake with solvent, every 500 rds or so. That snake has very worn bristles, and I see it as very gentle on the bore....that's speculation. I use the snake on blue steel barrels after every session, but just one or two passes, wnough to clean lightly and spread a layer of lube. |
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