410 Buckshot Remington HD 000 Out Of A Derringer Gel Test

Mrgunsngear · December 20, 2013, 11:27 PM

I always wondered what 410 buckshot would do out of some of the current 'self defense' pistols on the market these days so I figured I'd make that happen. I used the 2.5'' Remington HD 000 buckshot load, the Clear Ballistics "FBI Spec" gel, and a Bond Arms Texas Defender (3'' barrel) for the test. Here's what I found:

-2.5'' pattern at 7 feet
-Penetration was 8.5'' to 12''

Here's the video of the test and what I think of the results:

410 Short Barrel Test

Glenn E. Meyer · December 21, 2013, 12:02 PM

Neat video. Thanks for it.

chris in va · December 21, 2013, 07:04 PM

So coming out of a 3" barrel does it mean there is 1/2" of actual barrel past the shell mouth?

Edit...never mind, I see it was addressed in the video.

treg · December 21, 2013, 09:04 PM

Neat test, thanks for posting!

Ozzieman · December 22, 2013, 09:51 AM

Thanks for the video, well done. Simple and to the point.
I was actually surprised at the amount of penetration.

Derbel McDillet · December 22, 2013, 11:35 AM

I appreciate the time and effort you spend in performing these tests (I really do!), but...

No BB calibration appears to have been performed on the simulant so penetration performance is suspect. (Any "pre-calibration" performed by the manufacturer must be verified by shooting a BB into the block to ensure the observed results are accurate.)

Also since you have so many bubbles in your simulant block it seems to fit the definition of "unfinished", which according to the manufacturer is not calibrated to human tissue density (see - http://clearballistics.com/about/ ).

ChasingWhitetail91 · December 22, 2013, 11:40 AM

Nice video, any chance of a new one testing flechette rounds?

Ozzieman · December 22, 2013, 07:10 PM

And you didn’t provide the barometric pressure, temperature, humidity, time of the day and location of the moon so your test is un calibrated.

Derbel McDillet · December 22, 2013, 09:57 PM

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And you didn’t provide the barometric pressure, temperature, humidity, time of the day and location of the moon so your test is un calibrated.

In the absence of calibration data, the question is: Do test results mirror realistic terminal performance in soft tissues?

If you want to believe it is, then that's your prerogative. The rest of us are skeptical when the test medium isn't calibrated and doesn't meet the manufacturer's specifications.

Ozzieman · December 23, 2013, 11:13 AM

The rest of us are skeptical

Rest of us,,,, I count 1.
Maybe you should make some better videos with more calibrated data so we can see how it’s done, me it was still a nice video and I appreciate the work he did without making useless negative comments.

2damnold4this · December 23, 2013, 11:32 AM

How was the recoil?

Mrgunsngear · December 23, 2013, 07:21 PM

This block was not calibrated as I've pretty much stopped doing that because I've never had one not calibrate properly. It was recycled and cured as per the specs (I don't know any other way to do it) though.

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How was the recoil?

It's not as bad as you'd think. It's not pleasant but it's not painful either.

Ozzieman · December 24, 2013, 08:23 AM

It's not pleasant but it's not painful either.
I shot one in 44 special with 240’s and the grip just battered my hand. I’m still going to buy one for no other reason that I am a 44 special nut.
You shot that at 7 feet which is a good range for what the gun was intended for, was the one you fired into the block point of aim?
Thanks

Mrgunsngear · December 24, 2013, 03:21 PM

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was the one you fired into the block point of aim?

Yes.

Apple a Day · December 25, 2013, 09:56 AM

One pellet at 8" and one at 9". The pellets skimming bottom of the gel pack are a little suspect. Still, better than ugly looks and naughty language.

Snyper · December 25, 2013, 11:30 AM

Put some heavy clothing in front of the gelatin and see how LITTLE it penetrates

December 20, 2013, 11:27 PM	#1
Mrgunsngear Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2011 Location: Carolina Posts: 3,415	410 Buckshot Remington HD 000 Out Of A Derringer Gel Test I always wondered what 410 buckshot would do out of some of the current 'self defense' pistols on the market these days so I figured I'd make that happen. I used the 2.5'' Remington HD 000 buckshot load, the Clear Ballistics "FBI Spec" gel, and a Bond Arms Texas Defender (3'' barrel) for the test. Here's what I found: -2.5'' pattern at 7 feet -Penetration was 8.5'' to 12'' Here's the video of the test and what I think of the results: 410 Short Barrel Test __________________ Mrgunsngear Youtube Channel

December 21, 2013, 12:02 PM	#2
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Neat video. Thanks for it. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

December 21, 2013, 09:04 PM	#4
treg Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2006 Posts: 1,102	Neat test, thanks for posting! __________________ .44 Special: For those who get it, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation is possible.

December 22, 2013, 09:51 AM	#5
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	Thanks for the video, well done. Simple and to the point. I was actually surprised at the amount of penetration. __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

December 22, 2013, 11:40 AM	#7
ChasingWhitetail91 Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 336	Nice video, any chance of a new one testing flechette rounds? __________________ Abraham Lincoln made all men free, Samuel Colt made them equal.

December 21, 2013, 07:04 PM	#3
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	So coming out of a 3" barrel does it mean there is 1/2" of actual barrel past the shell mouth? Edit...never mind, I see it was addressed in the video.

December 22, 2013, 11:35 AM	#6
Derbel McDillet Junior member Join Date: September 6, 2013 Location: Kitsap County, Washington Posts: 316	I appreciate the time and effort you spend in performing these tests (I really do!), but... No BB calibration appears to have been performed on the simulant so penetration performance is suspect. (Any "pre-calibration" performed by the manufacturer must be verified by shooting a BB into the block to ensure the observed results are accurate.) Also since you have so many bubbles in your simulant block it seems to fit the definition of "unfinished", which according to the manufacturer is not calibrated to human tissue density (see - http://clearballistics.com/about/ ).

December 22, 2013, 07:10 PM	#8
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	And you didn’t provide the barometric pressure, temperature, humidity, time of the day and location of the moon so your test is un calibrated. __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

December 23, 2013, 11:13 AM	#10
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	The rest of us are skeptical Rest of us,,,, I count 1. Maybe you should make some better videos with more calibrated data so we can see how it’s done, me it was still a nice video and I appreciate the work he did without making useless negative comments. __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

December 23, 2013, 11:32 AM	#11
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	How was the recoil?

December 24, 2013, 08:23 AM	#13
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	It's not pleasant but it's not painful either. I shot one in 44 special with 240’s and the grip just battered my hand. I’m still going to buy one for no other reason that I am a 44 special nut. You shot that at 7 feet which is a good range for what the gun was intended for, was the one you fired into the block point of aim? Thanks __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

December 25, 2013, 09:56 AM	#15
Apple a Day Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2000 Location: Poquoson,Virginia Posts: 1,524	One pellet at 8" and one at 9". The pellets skimming bottom of the gel pack are a little suspect. Still, better than ugly looks and naughty language. __________________ THose who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules. Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

December 25, 2013, 11:30 AM	#16
Snyper Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2013 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 3,047	Put some heavy clothing in front of the gelatin and see how LITTLE it penetrates __________________ One shot, one kill