Range Rant - Page 3

riverdog · November 1, 2002, 10:06 AM

I'm into dressing comfortably, but there's comfort and then there's bad taste. When I see the tee shirts with the "F-U" or "cold dead" type slogans I see a low life. Sorry, I buy the stereotype. You dress the part and wear a sign on your back, expect to be associated with the sign. Clothes form a first impression that's hard to beat. When I see that type of dress at the range or in a gunshop, I cringe.

I go out of my way to not wear signs. My clothes are comfortable but not tacky. Rip-stop BDU's can be bought in "other than Camo" -- Khaki and even O.D. are better alternatives. Personally I prefer Royal Robbins 5-11 pants. Good pocket layout and doubled knees. Tee shirts come in many colors other than tacky, you can actually find them with no logos, advertisements or messages.

Johnny Guest · November 1, 2002, 11:37 AM

Well written, riverdog.

I have a few pair of "cargo pants" and BDU trou in non-camo, as well as my hunting attire. I have a general bad feeling about wearing (patterned) camo in town. Yes, I know full well that khaki and olive originated as a sort of camouflage. I own a lot of t-shirts which are souvenirs of trips taken and places visited, but bear no slogans or provocative lettering. I even have some colored ones with no printing or images whatever!

Kinda like my scarce and unusual Zippo lighter (kept safely put away, so rare is it,) which is plain brushed chrome, with NO logo, advertising, coat of arms, unit crest, monogram, name, nor even initials displayed thereon.

All best,
Johnny

archeryfanatic · November 1, 2002, 11:49 AM

Yes the liberal Media types will always try to make us look bad. But we can't just sit here and whine about it.
Some of us have personal websites that is not just all about guns that may attract people other than the gun types, we can start by showing these others that come to our sites what normal people we are. We can have pictures posted (not just posing with our favorite gun) of you in other types of social events- family picnics, backbacking trip, vacation photos etc., or essays about the things that are important to you that demonstrate your intelligence other than our obsession with guns.

bountyh · November 1, 2002, 01:46 PM

My range has strict requirement: you aren't allowed in unless your "tooth-to-tatoo" ratio is at least 5.

ump45 · November 1, 2002, 06:47 PM

I agree with ZeusOne,

That's why I don't wear jeans and a t-shirt to the range.

I go wearing a pair of pants (Nordstrom's khakis) and a button down collar shirt.

theberettaman · November 2, 2002, 08:22 AM

Isn't it odd when Joe Q Citizen is seen in camo and black boots with an evil black weapon he's a psycho gun nut.But when the national media shows cars being stopped by men in camo and black boots with evil black weapons and covered faces,IT'S Public Safety.
One other quick comment.I live in quite a rural area with a police dept of 3(1 is part time).I was at the local diner and 2/3 of the force came in for a bite to eat.They were both "so tactical" I had to laugh.Why in the world do these guys need this get up for?Are the local herfords running an illegal Meth lab?Guess where you can find their patrol cars parked most of the time.Visiting the auto repair/paint ball establishment.(no donut shop).At the turkey shoot last sunday both arrived tactical as all get out.After they left empty handed I figure a letter to the mayor about spending our limited city budget on more ammo and training than snappy looking gear might be in order.

JIH · November 2, 2002, 11:57 AM

Question for all those who truly believe appearance doesn't matter, and we should always look to a person's insides to get to their true soul....

Would you go to a job interview (not at Billy Ray's Tattoo Parlor) unshaven, unkempt, wearing tattered jeans, a soiled t-shirt, and dirty tennis shoes?

Would you hire someone who came to an interview dressed like that?

Look, I understand you want to be comfortable and you don't want to ruin a good pair of chinos or your dress shirts, but don't pretend that people aren't judged based on appearance. Maybe you don't really care if other people think you look like the Unabomber, but when you're around me, then you're making me look guilty by association.

To the range, I wear comfortable clothes. However, the range is a public place. I wouldn't wear things to the range that I wouldn't wear to the grocery store or the mall. I don't wear soiled clothes any more than I'd wear a pair of leather chaps and thong underwear that lets my rosy cheeks hang out for all to see.

To bring up an argument I've had with my cousin: "Dressing like a ho doesn't make you a ho. But don't be surprised when people treat you like a ho. You're wearing that to get attention, just understand that the attention you get may not always be the attention you want."

The Walrus · November 2, 2002, 08:42 PM

Birdie,

An interesting counterpoint to your rant. I'm in the computer industry and work with some *very* "geeky" people on a daily basis. Computer jockeys who spend 8+ hours a day sitting in front of a computer are frequently not the best examples of personal hygiene or fashion sense.

Something I have noticed, and I do feel bad about bringing it up, is that the "smell" commonly associated with gun shows can also be encountered at computer swap meets in the seattle area. Just an observation.

SHOWER, people!

spacemanspiff · November 4, 2002, 12:51 PM

i dunno...i've always figured that the guy wearing camo and tactical boots with the "vote from the rooftops" shirt must have something in his range bag i'm interested in.

ScottsGT · November 4, 2002, 01:05 PM

I know the feeling. Back when the Confederate flag issue was on the news everyday here in Columbia, the only ones that made it on the evening news was the "hillbilly looking, knuckle dragging, scruffy bearded, camo wearing, skin head readneck ". They NEVER would put a shot of the business man in an expensive suit on his lunch break carrying a battle flag. And I know that they were there, because I work two blocks from the capitol building.

November 1, 2002, 11:37 AM	#52
Johnny Guest Moderator in Memoriam Join Date: August 28, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 4,123	"Generic" clothing & stuff. Well written, riverdog. I have a few pair of "cargo pants" and BDU trou in non-camo, as well as my hunting attire. I have a general bad feeling about wearing (patterned) camo in town. Yes, I know full well that khaki and olive originated as a sort of camouflage. I own a lot of t-shirts which are souvenirs of trips taken and places visited, but bear no slogans or provocative lettering. I even have some colored ones with no printing or images whatever! Kinda like my scarce and unusual Zippo lighter (kept safely put away, so rare is it,) which is plain brushed chrome, with NO logo, advertising, coat of arms, unit crest, monogram, name, nor even initials displayed thereon. All best, Johnny

November 2, 2002, 08:42 PM	#58
The Walrus Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2001 Location: North of Seattle, WA Posts: 189	Birdie, An interesting counterpoint to your rant. I'm in the computer industry and work with some very "geeky" people on a daily basis. Computer jockeys who spend 8+ hours a day sitting in front of a computer are frequently not the best examples of personal hygiene or fashion sense. Something I have noticed, and I do feel bad about bringing it up, is that the "smell" commonly associated with gun shows can also be encountered at computer swap meets in the seattle area. Just an observation. SHOWER, people! __________________ MOLON LABE!

November 4, 2002, 12:51 PM	#59
spacemanspiff Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 3,498	i dunno...i've always figured that the guy wearing camo and tactical boots with the "vote from the rooftops" shirt must have something in his range bag i'm interested in. __________________ "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard

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November 1, 2002, 10:06 AM	#51
riverdog Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Posts: 824	I'm into dressing comfortably, but there's comfort and then there's bad taste. When I see the tee shirts with the "F-U" or "cold dead" type slogans I see a low life. Sorry, I buy the stereotype. You dress the part and wear a sign on your back, expect to be associated with the sign. Clothes form a first impression that's hard to beat. When I see that type of dress at the range or in a gunshop, I cringe. I go out of my way to not wear signs. My clothes are comfortable but not tacky. Rip-stop BDU's can be bought in "other than Camo" -- Khaki and even O.D. are better alternatives. Personally I prefer Royal Robbins 5-11 pants. Good pocket layout and doubled knees. Tee shirts come in many colors other than tacky, you can actually find them with no logos, advertisements or messages.

November 1, 2002, 11:49 AM	#53
archeryfanatic Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2002 Location: California Posts: 108	Yes the liberal Media types will always try to make us look bad. But we can't just sit here and whine about it. Some of us have personal websites that is not just all about guns that may attract people other than the gun types, we can start by showing these others that come to our sites what normal people we are. We can have pictures posted (not just posing with our favorite gun) of you in other types of social events- family picnics, backbacking trip, vacation photos etc., or essays about the things that are important to you that demonstrate your intelligence other than our obsession with guns.

November 1, 2002, 01:46 PM	#54
bountyh Junior member Join Date: November 1, 2001 Location: NaziFornia Posts: 908	My range has strict requirement: you aren't allowed in unless your "tooth-to-tatoo" ratio is at least 5.

November 1, 2002, 06:47 PM	#55
ump45 Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2001 Posts: 286	I agree with ZeusOne, That's why I don't wear jeans and a t-shirt to the range. I go wearing a pair of pants (Nordstrom's khakis) and a button down collar shirt.

November 2, 2002, 08:22 AM	#56
theberettaman Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2001 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Posts: 496	Isn't it odd when Joe Q Citizen is seen in camo and black boots with an evil black weapon he's a psycho gun nut.But when the national media shows cars being stopped by men in camo and black boots with evil black weapons and covered faces,IT'S Public Safety. One other quick comment.I live in quite a rural area with a police dept of 3(1 is part time).I was at the local diner and 2/3 of the force came in for a bite to eat.They were both "so tactical" I had to laugh.Why in the world do these guys need this get up for?Are the local herfords running an illegal Meth lab?Guess where you can find their patrol cars parked most of the time.Visiting the auto repair/paint ball establishment.(no donut shop).At the turkey shoot last sunday both arrived tactical as all get out.After they left empty handed I figure a letter to the mayor about spending our limited city budget on more ammo and training than snappy looking gear might be in order.

November 2, 2002, 11:57 AM	#57
JIH Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 1999 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 963	Question for all those who truly believe appearance doesn't matter, and we should always look to a person's insides to get to their true soul.... Would you go to a job interview (not at Billy Ray's Tattoo Parlor) unshaven, unkempt, wearing tattered jeans, a soiled t-shirt, and dirty tennis shoes? Would you hire someone who came to an interview dressed like that? Look, I understand you want to be comfortable and you don't want to ruin a good pair of chinos or your dress shirts, but don't pretend that people aren't judged based on appearance. Maybe you don't really care if other people think you look like the Unabomber, but when you're around me, then you're making me look guilty by association. To the range, I wear comfortable clothes. However, the range is a public place. I wouldn't wear things to the range that I wouldn't wear to the grocery store or the mall. I don't wear soiled clothes any more than I'd wear a pair of leather chaps and thong underwear that lets my rosy cheeks hang out for all to see. To bring up an argument I've had with my cousin: "Dressing like a ho doesn't make you a ho. But don't be surprised when people treat you like a ho. You're wearing that to get attention, just understand that the attention you get may not always be the attention you want."

November 4, 2002, 01:05 PM	#60
ScottsGT Senior Member Join Date: September 20, 2001 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 236	I know the feeling. Back when the Confederate flag issue was on the news everyday here in Columbia, the only ones that made it on the evening news was the "hillbilly looking, knuckle dragging, scruffy bearded, camo wearing, skin head readneck ". They NEVER would put a shot of the business man in an expensive suit on his lunch break carrying a battle flag. And I know that they were there, because I work two blocks from the capitol building.