How much ammo do you need?

Old Padawan · April 19, 2006, 04:38 PM

Regarding the article "Pre-Engaging Sequencing" in the May 2006 issue of SWAT magazine.

Pat Rogers advises the Tactical reload of the secondary firearm while making ready. He does not however recommend the Tactical reloading of the carbine. Why would you do one without the other?

Pat Rogers · April 19, 2006, 05:32 PM

Good Evening!
I believe that you may have your terminology off or else I may have confused you.
If you are referring to "Pre Engagement Sequencing" I teach to top off the pistol. Many of those I work with are armed with .45 cal pistols, and a seven round magazine with one in the chamber leaves you with 6 rounds. That one round represents 14.285% of your total in the gun and that is your back up weapon.
One round down from 28 is 3.5%.
Ammunition is a funny thing. If you never press the trigger, you have too much. If you do press the trigger, you'll never have nearly enough.
In the case of the carbine, I am satisfied in not topping off (though have at it if you so desire) but want to ensure that the chambered round verification is accomplished and the magazine is locked into the receiver (PUSH/ PULL).

We do teach Tactical Reloads with the carbine. A loaded gun is a happy gun, and I can vouch for it as a TTP. Performing a Tac Reload when you can keeps the gun happy and good guys alive.
Hope this clears things up for you...

**Rich Lucibella** · April 19, 2006, 06:05 PM

How freaking cool is that?

Thanks much Pat.
Rich

Pat Rogers · April 19, 2006, 08:08 PM

Hi Rich!
Congratulations on the new pup!

**Rich Lucibella** · April 20, 2006, 02:10 AM

Don't miss a trick, do you, PR?
I was gonna surprise you once I had some acceptable pics!

Congrats on yours as well.
Rich

Pat Rogers · April 20, 2006, 04:02 AM

Thanks Rich- she is anoother rescue, full of energy and soooo happy!

KSFreeman · April 20, 2006, 08:02 AM

Ahhh, this thread has apparently gone to the dogs.

April 19, 2006, 04:38 PM	#1
Old Padawan Member Join Date: April 19, 2006 Posts: 25	How much ammo do you need? Regarding the article "Pre-Engaging Sequencing" in the May 2006 issue of SWAT magazine. Pat Rogers advises the Tactical reload of the secondary firearm while making ready. He does not however recommend the Tactical reloading of the carbine. Why would you do one without the other?

April 19, 2006, 05:32 PM	#2
Pat Rogers Member in memoriam Join Date: July 31, 2001 Posts: 303	Good Evening! I believe that you may have your terminology off or else I may have confused you. If you are referring to "Pre Engagement Sequencing" I teach to top off the pistol. Many of those I work with are armed with .45 cal pistols, and a seven round magazine with one in the chamber leaves you with 6 rounds. That one round represents 14.285% of your total in the gun and that is your back up weapon. One round down from 28 is 3.5%. Ammunition is a funny thing. If you never press the trigger, you have too much. If you do press the trigger, you'll never have nearly enough. In the case of the carbine, I am satisfied in not topping off (though have at it if you so desire) but want to ensure that the chambered round verification is accomplished and the magazine is locked into the receiver (PUSH/ PULL). We do teach Tactical Reloads with the carbine. A loaded gun is a happy gun, and I can vouch for it as a TTP. Performing a Tac Reload when you can keeps the gun happy and good guys alive. Hope this clears things up for you... __________________ S/F Pat sends www.eagtactical.com

April 19, 2006, 06:05 PM	#3
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	How freaking cool is that? Thanks much Pat. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

April 19, 2006, 08:08 PM	#4
Pat Rogers Member in memoriam Join Date: July 31, 2001 Posts: 303	Hi Rich! Congratulations on the new pup! __________________ S/F Pat sends www.eagtactical.com

April 20, 2006, 02:10 AM	#5
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Don't miss a trick, do you, PR? I was gonna surprise you once I had some acceptable pics! Congrats on yours as well. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

April 20, 2006, 04:02 AM	#6
Pat Rogers Member in memoriam Join Date: July 31, 2001 Posts: 303	Thanks Rich- she is anoother rescue, full of energy and soooo happy! __________________ S/F Pat sends www.eagtactical.com

April 20, 2006, 08:02 AM	#7
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	Ahhh, this thread has apparently gone to the dogs. __________________ "Arguments of policy must give way to a constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980).

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