Handgun target thread. How well do you shoot?

sammy69 · August 30, 2015, 10:13 PM

I will start. This was shot at 15 yards, offhand using handloads of 4.4 grains of Bullseye and an SNS Coated (due to a lead count of 28) LSWC bullet. Les Baer TRS with 50,000 plus rounds down the barrel. My favorite pistol for the moment.

Radny97 · August 30, 2015, 10:49 PM

The grid is 1 inch square. The flyer is due to a particular chamber in the cylinder that is a little off. Sights were a little off when I shot this due to a bump in the range bag. Grouping was good though. I've shot better since I shot this about a year ago but I had this pic handy in my phone. This is double action offhand at 25 yards shooting 38 special PMC 132 gn fmj from a six inch GP100.

mavracer · August 31, 2015, 07:23 AM

Ruger LCP 25 yards offhand

g.willikers · August 31, 2015, 09:17 AM

Mighty fine shooting, all.
But without any intended criticism of the talent it takes to make such accurate shots, just gotta' ask:
How quickly were these shots made?
For handguns especially, a component of speed should be an important element of accuracy, shouldn't it?

NoSecondBest · August 31, 2015, 09:21 AM

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For handguns especially, a component of speed should be an important element of accuracy, shouldn't it?

No, it shouldn't. Accuracy and ability are two different animals. Accuracy is the potential of the gun and ability is the potential of the shooter. The best of both worlds is an accurate gun and a very good shooter.
I shot major competitions for ten years as a sponsored shooter. During that time I was shooting 50,000+ rounds a year of handgun, rifle, and shotgun.....mostly handgun. You will never, I repeat NEVER, be a top shooter without a very accurate gun. First comes accuracy and then you develop speed. Speed is the ability to not miss.... quickly. It's all about economy of motion. Fast and missing is a waste of time.

Cyanide971 · August 31, 2015, 09:33 AM

All fired offhand, and unless otherwise noted, new 9mm 124gr Freedom Munitions. Starting with a random grouping from a few months ago with my Beretta PX4 D from 7 to 20 yards:

P-07 from 7 to 20 yards, both single action and double action, and would have been better if I didn't have all those doggone flyers!

P-01 from 7 to 20 yards, both single action and double action:

CZ 100 from 7 to 25 yards. Dang 25 yard flyers got me!

CZ 100, 4 mags, fired as quickly as could reacquire sight picture and reload upon slide lock:

g.willikers · August 31, 2015, 09:40 AM

^^^Nice Shootin'.

I wasn't referring to being fast and sloppy.
There's no point in that.
The emphasis on accuracy should always be the goal.
But, in my mind at least (and sometimes a very fuzzy place to be), speed has to be a consideration for good accuracy.
For example, even at my advanced years and deteriorating eyesight, there's no problem hitting a clay bird at 50 yards with handguns.
(One of my favorite things to practice).
But only if I go very slowly and concentrate very hard on the fundamentals.
Try to speed up and forgetaboutit.
But there's plenty of folks who can do that with each and every shot with no more than 1/2 seconds or so between them.
They can be unequivocally be considered accurate shootists.

MrBorland · August 31, 2015, 10:02 AM

I'll play.

All were shot standing, unsupported unless noted otherwise. No time requirement (see vid link at bottom for that). Revolvers were shot double action.

DAO S&W 686, 3 shots, standing (top) and rested (bottom), 10 yards:

Ruger MkIII, 3 shots, standing (top) and rested (bottom), 10 yards:

4" 10-shot S&W 617, 5 shots, 25 yards:

6" S&W K-38, 6 shots, 7 yards, 2-handed (bottom), strong hand only (top right), weak hand only (top left):

And as a nod to g.willikers, El Prez on steel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFerCV3W4Y

g.willikers · August 31, 2015, 10:07 AM

It looks like you definitely have both the fundamentals and the speed down.
But can you do that while hanging upside down and using a mirror, while whizzing past the targets on a zip line?

Had to ask.

Cyanide971 · August 31, 2015, 10:15 AM

Thanks G. Willikers, but it ain't all that good!

MrBorland · August 31, 2015, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by g.willikers

But can you do that while hanging upside down and using a mirror, while whizzing past the targets on a zip line?

Tough crowd.

Here's my trick "shot":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmy5mkjpUNI

g.willikers · August 31, 2015, 10:26 AM

Very neat, especially the one with the coin balanced on edge.
But these days where does one find a coin?
I did try it with a credit card, but somehow it just wasn't the same.

Bob Wright · August 31, 2015, 12:01 PM

I keep photos of my targets and loading data for reference. Not offhand, but using two hands and standing:

And a "One Shot Group", just couldn't bring myself to shoot at that target anymore!

Bob Wright

jmr40 · August 31, 2015, 02:57 PM

Glock 19, 5 shots @ 50'. No I can't do this every time, it was just one of those days when everything fell into place. Closer to 2" at that range is more typical.

MrBorland · August 31, 2015, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jmr40

Glock 19, 5 shots @ 50'.

Very nice! Well done indeed.

Waspinator · August 31, 2015, 06:41 PM

Here are some of my targets I had pictures of.

1989 Taurus 669, .357 Mag, 6-shot, 6" barrel. 10 yards. Slow firing in double action. One cylinder worth.

1991 Ruger SP101, .22LR, 6-shot, 4" barrel. 10 yards. moderate rate of fire in double action. 5 cylinders worth.

2013 Bersa Thunder Pro Ultra Compact, 9mm, 10-shot, 3.25" barrel. 10 yards. Fast rate of fire (mag dumps). 4 magazines worth.

Below,A few targets useing my firearm instructors guns.

Year Unknown, S&W 5906, 9mm. 7 yards. slow rate of fire. 5 rounds only.

Year unknown. S&W 686 (no lock), 357 mag. , 7-shot, 4" barrel. 7 yards. moderate rate of fire in double action. two cylinders worth.

Cyanide971 · August 31, 2015, 08:14 PM

Nice shooting, everyone!

mavracer · August 31, 2015, 09:10 PM

10 yards from a low ready in under 2 seconds

Mike38 · August 31, 2015, 09:34 PM

Guess I need to take pictures of my targets! Just last Saturday I shot 30 rounds at a B27 silhouette target. Using a Beretta 92FS and 115gr CCI Blazer Brass. 10 rounds at 5 yards, 10 rounds at 7 yards, and 10 rounds at 10 yards. All shots in the X-ring. I usually slip a couple into the 10 ring, but did good that day.

Radny97 · August 31, 2015, 09:46 PM

Nice shooting all. Especially like that coin video. And even getting shots on paper with an lcp at 25 yards is impressive. g.willikers here's some timed shots for you. This is a 12 shot group at 10 yards using a GP100 shooting 38 special. All shots are double action. This includes a draw, six shots, reload using an hks speedloader and then empty the cylinder again. Center dot has a one inch diameter. This was shot in 14.1 seconds.

Purple Bikerr · August 31, 2015, 09:57 PM

You guys are waaaay out of my league.

Radny97 · August 31, 2015, 10:04 PM

Also I note that about half the posts on here people are shooting revolvers even though revolvers comprise a small fraction of all handgun sales and ownership. Coincidence? Me thinks not.

kraigwy · September 1, 2015, 06:22 AM

I shoot in the middle of the pack at our clubs USPSA but at the top in the super senior class (need to change the name of that class).

How about 7 rounds at 15 yards with the Russian '95 Nagant (single action)

Maybe I should use it in USPSA matches.

g.willikers · September 1, 2015, 07:33 AM

There's definitely a lot of shooting talent around here.
Very enjoyable to see.
Rumor has it, kraigwy, that there's going to be a new aged based category of competitors at the matches coming very soon.
It's going to be called the Still Breathing, Upright and Able to Walk Class.
And there will be special rules for it, like running will be replaced with moseying real fast and the like.
And anyone who falls down can continue shooting from that position without penalty.

MrBorland · September 1, 2015, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radny97

Also I note that about half the posts on here people are shooting revolvers

Yeah, and it gives me warm fuzzies.

I did, however, play a little with my MkIII this weekend. A pair of 15 yards groups shaping up to be very nice, when I started thinking about what a good group this'll be. The 5th shot in each shows what happens when you think about the goal of a good group, rather than the process of executing each shot well...

August 30, 2015, 10:13 PM	#1
sammy69 Member Join Date: December 13, 2005 Posts: 71	Handgun target thread. How well do you shoot? I will start. This was shot at 15 yards, offhand using handloads of 4.4 grains of Bullseye and an SNS Coated (due to a lead count of 28) LSWC bullet. Les Baer TRS with 50,000 plus rounds down the barrel. My favorite pistol for the moment.

August 31, 2015, 09:17 AM	#4
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Mighty fine shooting, all. But without any intended criticism of the talent it takes to make such accurate shots, just gotta' ask: How quickly were these shots made? For handguns especially, a component of speed should be an important element of accuracy, shouldn't it? __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

August 31, 2015, 09:40 AM	#7
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	^^^Nice Shootin'. I wasn't referring to being fast and sloppy. There's no point in that. The emphasis on accuracy should always be the goal. But, in my mind at least (and sometimes a very fuzzy place to be), speed has to be a consideration for good accuracy. For example, even at my advanced years and deteriorating eyesight, there's no problem hitting a clay bird at 50 yards with handguns. (One of my favorite things to practice). But only if I go very slowly and concentrate very hard on the fundamentals. Try to speed up and forgetaboutit. But there's plenty of folks who can do that with each and every shot with no more than 1/2 seconds or so between them. They can be unequivocally be considered accurate shootists. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.” Last edited by g.willikers; August 31, 2015 at 09:59 AM.

August 31, 2015, 10:07 AM	#9
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	It looks like you definitely have both the fundamentals and the speed down. But can you do that while hanging upside down and using a mirror, while whizzing past the targets on a zip line? Had to ask. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

August 31, 2015, 10:26 AM	#12
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Very neat, especially the one with the coin balanced on edge. But these days where does one find a coin? I did try it with a credit card, but somehow it just wasn't the same. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

August 31, 2015, 09:33 AM	#6
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	All fired offhand, and unless otherwise noted, new 9mm 124gr Freedom Munitions. Starting with a random grouping from a few months ago with my Beretta PX4 D from 7 to 20 yards: P-07 from 7 to 20 yards, both single action and double action, and would have been better if I didn't have all those doggone flyers! P-01 from 7 to 20 yards, both single action and double action: CZ 100 from 7 to 25 yards. Dang 25 yard flyers got me! CZ 100, 4 mags, fired as quickly as could reacquire sight picture and reload upon slide lock:

August 31, 2015, 10:02 AM	#8
MrBorland Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 2007 Location: NC Posts: 2,614	I'll play. All were shot standing, unsupported unless noted otherwise. No time requirement (see vid link at bottom for that). Revolvers were shot double action. DAO S&W 686, 3 shots, standing (top) and rested (bottom), 10 yards: Ruger MkIII, 3 shots, standing (top) and rested (bottom), 10 yards: 4" 10-shot S&W 617, 5 shots, 25 yards: 6" S&W K-38, 6 shots, 7 yards, 2-handed (bottom), strong hand only (top right), weak hand only (top left): And as a nod to g.willikers, El Prez on steel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNFerCV3W4Y

August 31, 2015, 10:15 AM	#10
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	Thanks G. Willikers, but it ain't all that good!

August 31, 2015, 12:01 PM	#13
Bob Wright Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2012 Location: Memphis, Tennessee Posts: 2,989	I keep photos of my targets and loading data for reference. Not offhand, but using two hands and standing: And a "One Shot Group", just couldn't bring myself to shoot at that target anymore! Bob Wright __________________ Time spent at the reloading bench is an investment in contentment.

August 31, 2015, 02:57 PM	#14
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	Glock 19, 5 shots @ 50'. No I can't do this every time, it was just one of those days when everything fell into place. Closer to 2" at that range is more typical.

August 31, 2015, 06:41 PM	#16
Waspinator Senior Member Join Date: February 10, 2013 Location: Connecticut Posts: 517	Here are some of my targets I had pictures of. 1989 Taurus 669, .357 Mag, 6-shot, 6" barrel. 10 yards. Slow firing in double action. One cylinder worth. 1991 Ruger SP101, .22LR, 6-shot, 4" barrel. 10 yards. moderate rate of fire in double action. 5 cylinders worth. 2013 Bersa Thunder Pro Ultra Compact, 9mm, 10-shot, 3.25" barrel. 10 yards. Fast rate of fire (mag dumps). 4 magazines worth. Below,A few targets useing my firearm instructors guns. Year Unknown, S&W 5906, 9mm. 7 yards. slow rate of fire. 5 rounds only. Year unknown. S&W 686 (no lock), 357 mag. , 7-shot, 4" barrel. 7 yards. moderate rate of fire in double action. two cylinders worth.

August 31, 2015, 08:14 PM	#17
Cyanide971 Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2014 Posts: 725	Nice shooting, everyone!

August 31, 2015, 09:34 PM	#19
Mike38 Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2009 Location: North Central Illinois Posts: 2,710	Guess I need to take pictures of my targets! Just last Saturday I shot 30 rounds at a B27 silhouette target. Using a Beretta 92FS and 115gr CCI Blazer Brass. 10 rounds at 5 yards, 10 rounds at 7 yards, and 10 rounds at 10 yards. All shots in the X-ring. I usually slip a couple into the 10 ring, but did good that day.

August 31, 2015, 09:57 PM	#21
Purple Bikerr Member Join Date: March 24, 2013 Posts: 31	You guys are waaaay out of my league.

August 31, 2015, 10:04 PM	#22
Radny97 Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2015 Posts: 1,021	Also I note that about half the posts on here people are shooting revolvers even though revolvers comprise a small fraction of all handgun sales and ownership. Coincidence? Me thinks not.

September 1, 2015, 06:22 AM	#23
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I shoot in the middle of the pack at our clubs USPSA but at the top in the super senior class (need to change the name of that class). How about 7 rounds at 15 yards with the Russian '95 Nagant (single action) Maybe I should use it in USPSA matches. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

September 1, 2015, 07:33 AM	#24
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	There's definitely a lot of shooting talent around here. Very enjoyable to see. Rumor has it, kraigwy, that there's going to be a new aged based category of competitors at the matches coming very soon. It's going to be called the Still Breathing, Upright and Able to Walk Class. And there will be special rules for it, like running will be replaced with moseying real fast and the like. And anyone who falls down can continue shooting from that position without penalty. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”