Which suppressor?

timpierce · March 25, 2009, 09:34 AM

I'm going to buy a Walther P22, and a suppressor for it. I'm considering either the Lauer Preditor, or the Gemtech Outback. Does anyone have any recommendations on either one? The Lauer is $75.00 less than the Gemtech.

David Hineline · March 25, 2009, 09:39 AM

You will never regret buying the quality silencer over the cheap one.

Dingoboyx · March 25, 2009, 09:41 AM

They do wear out, some faster than others

flight954 · March 25, 2009, 10:08 AM

I have a Gemtech multi mount 9mm and love it.

aroundlsu · March 25, 2009, 12:08 PM

Get the one that is in stock locally or be prepared to wait six months or so.

timpierce · March 25, 2009, 03:04 PM

Thanks for the replies. In researching the Lauer, it looks like it can be disassembled for cleaning. I could find no reference to disassembly on the Germtech. How critical is this? Can the Gemtech be cleaned without disassembly?

fireman1291 · March 25, 2009, 03:13 PM

I opted for the AWC archangel T. Its 100% constructed of titanium, its light as hell and impervious to the half/half vinegar&peroxide solution people use to clean/eat the lead out of 22 suppressors.

Remember as stated above, dont cheap out. You'll long forget about the coin you dropped on a nice supprressor when you wait 3/mo for the stamp to come back.

And 22 ammo is dirty so you will gum up a 22 can, get one thats take apart for cleaning or a sealed thats built with stainless or titanium, no aluminum. Happy shooting!

PTK · March 25, 2009, 06:14 PM

I'd skip both and go with a Tactical Innovations - perfectly good quality, quiet, inexpensive ($200ish), and able to be disassembled for cleaning.

Crosshair · March 25, 2009, 09:38 PM

Take apart cans used to be not so common, but the market is demanding them. 22 rimfire is dirty and leaves lots of powder fouling. The major issue though is the lead buildup from the non-jacketed bullets which will eventually fill up the can.

Sealed cans are generally lighter, but can't be as easily cleaned.

Take apart cans are generally heavier, but can be easily cleaned and can easily have the baffle stack upgraded by an SOT down the road.

Centerfire rifle cans are generally sealed as the jacketed bullets don't leave lead fouling and the powder fouling is easily cleaned with solvent.

For a first time buyer, I would recommend you get a take apart can. Other than that, it depends on what you want. There are plenty of take apart cans to choose from. TacInc used to be the place to go for a first timer because their cans had the best performance for the dollar in a take-apart package. Now that is no longer the case as the number of choices is simply mind boggling.

Some people want a lightweight can and are willing to sacrifice some performance to get that. Some people want maximum suppression and are willing to have a heavier can. Some people want something that extremely Murphy resistant. Others want something that is full-auto rated. People who shoot their can on a rifle will want something different than someone who shoots their can on a handgun. The person who uses their can for both will want something else.

So you need to think about not only what you are getting now, but what you might get in the future.

Wildalaska · March 25, 2009, 10:14 PM

Look up Zak Smith here and talk to him, www.thunderbeastarms.com

WildeverybodyisveryhappywithhiscansAlaska TM

PTK · March 26, 2009, 01:49 AM

I didn't think Zak's models were able to be taken apart? They are titanium, though.

Zak Smith · March 26, 2009, 08:42 PM

That's correct. Our .22LR cans cannot be taken apart by the user. However, to be honest, even our high-round-count demo cans don't seem to be having a problem with lead buildup. The Ti cans don't have the "solvent" issues aluminum can have. In any case, tossing a can in an ultrasonic cleaner for 5 minutes every few years isn't a big deal to me-- but I have *never* cleaned my personal/demo .22, 223, or bolt gun cans, either.

ETA: I believe John Titsworth's testing of our .22 models was quite favorable.

freakshow10mm · March 27, 2009, 12:33 AM

Low 30's on the short and upper 30's on the long. On the upper end of dollars per dB reduction. Titanium is pricey.

Zak Smith · March 27, 2009, 12:42 AM

I believe he noted the 22L was "extremely quiet" and lightweight, a "top notch silencer", and that the 22S was "VERY lightweight". Ti is expensive, but they are rated for 17HMR and 22WMR also.

Anyway, there are a bunch of good silencers out there. I am glad Wildalaska has been happy with our suppressors-- I think he's seen the whole set by now.

freakshow10mm · March 27, 2009, 12:44 AM

Performance is in the upper end of the market, which is always good.

I've never known titanium to be heavy.

Wildalaska · March 27, 2009, 01:18 AM

Let me say that Zaks cans are extremely quiet (and I doubt that the average ear can tell the db difference between any quality can), well made, nicely finished and extremely light. We have sold them in every caliber he makes, my customers generall dont worry about cost. I also like the idea that if I want, I can PM one of the owners, or talk to him (like I did today when i called his partner to ask a question)...

I know he doesnt have like Skulls in his logo or Tactinames, but hey, I'm a fat shooter, not an operator

WildheyzakweneedafullautocannowAlaska TM

Zak Smith · March 27, 2009, 01:25 AM

We tried for skulls but it didn't fly.

Let us know what you want/need for a FA can and we'll see what we can do.

-z

freakshow10mm · March 27, 2009, 09:41 AM

Every suppressor owner is an operator. Just ask Gemtech.

March 25, 2009, 09:34 AM	#1
timpierce Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2007 Location: Cincinnai, Ohio Posts: 116	Which suppressor? I'm going to buy a Walther P22, and a suppressor for it. I'm considering either the Lauer Preditor, or the Gemtech Outback. Does anyone have any recommendations on either one? The Lauer is $75.00 less than the Gemtech.

March 25, 2009, 09:41 AM	#3
Dingoboyx Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Location: South East Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,513	The one that will last the longest They do wear out, some faster than others __________________ Muzza If you cant blind them with brilliance, Baffle them with BS Be alert...... there is a shortage of LERTs

March 25, 2009, 09:38 PM	#9
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,333	Take apart cans used to be not so common, but the market is demanding them. 22 rimfire is dirty and leaves lots of powder fouling. The major issue though is the lead buildup from the non-jacketed bullets which will eventually fill up the can. Sealed cans are generally lighter, but can't be as easily cleaned. Take apart cans are generally heavier, but can be easily cleaned and can easily have the baffle stack upgraded by an SOT down the road. Centerfire rifle cans are generally sealed as the jacketed bullets don't leave lead fouling and the powder fouling is easily cleaned with solvent. For a first time buyer, I would recommend you get a take apart can. Other than that, it depends on what you want. There are plenty of take apart cans to choose from. TacInc used to be the place to go for a first timer because their cans had the best performance for the dollar in a take-apart package. Now that is no longer the case as the number of choices is simply mind boggling. Some people want a lightweight can and are willing to sacrifice some performance to get that. Some people want maximum suppression and are willing to have a heavier can. Some people want something that extremely Murphy resistant. Others want something that is full-auto rated. People who shoot their can on a rifle will want something different than someone who shoots their can on a handgun. The person who uses their can for both will want something else. So you need to think about not only what you are getting now, but what you might get in the future. __________________ I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.

March 26, 2009, 08:42 PM	#12
Zak Smith Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 1999 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado, USA Posts: 2,682	That's correct. Our .22LR cans cannot be taken apart by the user. However, to be honest, even our high-round-count demo cans don't seem to be having a problem with lead buildup. The Ti cans don't have the "solvent" issues aluminum can have. In any case, tossing a can in an ultrasonic cleaner for 5 minutes every few years isn't a big deal to me-- but I have never cleaned my personal/demo .22, 223, or bolt gun cans, either. ETA: I believe John Titsworth's testing of our .22 models was quite favorable. __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*

March 27, 2009, 12:42 AM	#14
Zak Smith Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 1999 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado, USA Posts: 2,682	I believe he noted the 22L was "extremely quiet" and lightweight, a "top notch silencer", and that the 22S was "VERY lightweight". Ti is expensive, but they are rated for 17HMR and 22WMR also. Anyway, there are a bunch of good silencers out there. I am glad Wildalaska has been happy with our suppressors-- I think he's seen the whole set by now. __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*

March 25, 2009, 09:39 AM	#2
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	You will never regret buying the quality silencer over the cheap one.

March 25, 2009, 10:08 AM	#4
flight954 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2006 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 933	I have a Gemtech multi mount 9mm and love it.

March 25, 2009, 12:08 PM	#5
aroundlsu Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 156	Get the one that is in stock locally or be prepared to wait six months or so.

March 25, 2009, 03:04 PM	#6
timpierce Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2007 Location: Cincinnai, Ohio Posts: 116	Thanks for the replies. In researching the Lauer, it looks like it can be disassembled for cleaning. I could find no reference to disassembly on the Germtech. How critical is this? Can the Gemtech be cleaned without disassembly?

March 25, 2009, 03:13 PM	#7
fireman1291 Junior member Join Date: December 12, 2005 Location: Land O' Lakes, FL Posts: 99	I opted for the AWC archangel T. Its 100% constructed of titanium, its light as hell and impervious to the half/half vinegar&peroxide solution people use to clean/eat the lead out of 22 suppressors. Remember as stated above, dont cheap out. You'll long forget about the coin you dropped on a nice supprressor when you wait 3/mo for the stamp to come back. And 22 ammo is dirty so you will gum up a 22 can, get one thats take apart for cleaning or a sealed thats built with stainless or titanium, no aluminum. Happy shooting!

March 25, 2009, 06:14 PM	#8
PTK Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Posts: 442	I'd skip both and go with a Tactical Innovations - perfectly good quality, quiet, inexpensive ($200ish), and able to be disassembled for cleaning.

March 25, 2009, 10:14 PM	#10
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Look up Zak Smith here and talk to him, www.thunderbeastarms.com WildeverybodyisveryhappywithhiscansAlaska TM

March 26, 2009, 01:49 AM	#11
PTK Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Posts: 442	I didn't think Zak's models were able to be taken apart? They are titanium, though.

March 27, 2009, 12:33 AM	#13
freakshow10mm Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,398	Low 30's on the short and upper 30's on the long. On the upper end of dollars per dB reduction. Titanium is pricey.

March 27, 2009, 12:44 AM	#15
freakshow10mm Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,398	Performance is in the upper end of the market, which is always good. I've never known titanium to be heavy.

March 27, 2009, 01:18 AM	#16
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Let me say that Zaks cans are extremely quiet (and I doubt that the average ear can tell the db difference between any quality can), well made, nicely finished and extremely light. We have sold them in every caliber he makes, my customers generall dont worry about cost. I also like the idea that if I want, I can PM one of the owners, or talk to him (like I did today when i called his partner to ask a question)... I know he doesnt have like Skulls in his logo or Tactinames, but hey, I'm a fat shooter, not an operator WildheyzakweneedafullautocannowAlaska TM

March 27, 2009, 01:25 AM	#17
Zak Smith Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 1999 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado, USA Posts: 2,682	We tried for skulls but it didn't fly. Let us know what you want/need for a FA can and we'll see what we can do. -z __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*

March 27, 2009, 09:41 AM	#18
freakshow10mm Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,398	Every suppressor owner is an operator. Just ask Gemtech.

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