High Standard Crusader

Bob Wright · September 19, 2012, 09:00 PM

Anybody have a High Standard Crusader .44 Magnum? I've only seen one in my time. I was talking to a friend of mine some time back and found out he bought the only one I have seen. But, he parted with it many years ago. If memory serves me correctly, it was made by Dan Wesson.

Bob Wright

PetahW · September 20, 2012, 08:38 AM

This one was F/S a few weeks ago, but IDK if it ever sold.

http://portland.wweek.com/SportsEqui...44-mag/7230872

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micromontenegro · September 20, 2012, 09:45 AM

The High Standard Sentinel Mark II and III were made by Dan Wesson. The Crusader was an in-house design, and as far as I know, made by HS.

Winchester_73 · September 20, 2012, 05:29 PM

They are pretty rare. I've never saw one. I might be to the point that if I see one, I'm going to buy it, just because. They were also in 45 colt.

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The High Standard Sentinel Mark II and III were made by Dan Wesson. The Crusader was an in-house design, and as far as I know, made by HS.

IIRC Dan Wesson somehow had an influence on the Crusader as well. Whether they designed it, or Dan Wesson produced it as a HS design, or it was a HS version of a DW, something to that effect. I bet they're a good quality gun.

SIGSHR · September 20, 2012, 10:15 PM

Saw ONE-over 30 years ago. AFAIK it never really got into production.

BillM · September 20, 2012, 10:32 PM

Heck---how about a matched set, same serial number in 44 and 45?

http://tangoyankee.com/sold/10-09-03...-09-03_01.html

micromontenegro · September 21, 2012, 07:38 AM

The schematic:

As you can see, there's something DW related there (quite expected, the crusader being the replacement for the DW made Sentinels), but the actual lockwork is unique, and differs from DW's in most crucial parameters. A rare bird indeed.

micromontenegro · September 21, 2012, 07:46 AM

Excelent info here: http://www.danwessonforum.com/forum/...high-standard/

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The Crusader and the slightly later Power Plus Revovlers were both High Standard designs. There were four patents as I recall related to the Crusader.
The Crusader patents were issued to Richard Baker and Ralph Kennedy.
High Standard had considered centerfire revolvers from the 1950's and over the years built several different prototypes but the Crusader was the first gun to reach production and then in limited numbers.

smee78 · October 9, 2012, 05:18 PM

I have one in 44mag, havent shot it but looks sweet, I am trying to find a spring that I need for it, if not a good friend is going to make one for me, just have to bring it to him.

I will post some pics later this week if someone wants to see them.

James K · October 10, 2012, 08:23 PM

I don't know all the ins and outs but the Crusader shows nothing in common with the Dan Wesson designs except that it is a revolver. It also shares almost nothing with the earlier Sentinel revolvers, but I would assume it is a H-S in house design.

Jim

DFrame · October 12, 2012, 10:27 AM

The Crusader was a highly innovative design that wasn't enough to save Hi Standard. Sadly Hi standard went under, many years ago. I'd love to find a crusader but there weren't many made and they're quite expensive if you can find one. The design of the action was VERY advanced and I'm surprised someone hasn't attempted to bring it back.

James K · October 12, 2012, 01:59 PM

IIRC, the most innovative part of the design was having the hammer on an eccentric so it moved up and down to contact/miss the firing pin instead of using a transfer bar or a hammer block. But that idea was used (in a little different way) in the Hopkins and Allen Safety Police back around 1913.

Hign Standard made the mistake of depending too much on one retailer, Sears. When Sears pulled out of the gun sales business (following the JFK assassination) H-S went down.

Jim

John Stimson · January 31, 2013, 08:39 PM

This serial number list contains all production Crusaders.

http://www.histandard.info/datapubli.../Crusaders.pdf

September 19, 2012, 09:00 PM	#1
Bob Wright Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2012 Location: Memphis, Tennessee Posts: 2,987	High Standard Crusader Anybody have a High Standard Crusader .44 Magnum? I've only seen one in my time. I was talking to a friend of mine some time back and found out he bought the only one I have seen. But, he parted with it many years ago. If memory serves me correctly, it was made by Dan Wesson. Bob Wright

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smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	I have one in 44mag, havent shot it but looks sweet, I am trying to find a spring that I need for it, if not a good friend is going to make one for me, just have to bring it to him. I will post some pics later this week if someone wants to see them. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

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DFrame Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2008 Location: central Illinois Posts: 451	The Crusader was a highly innovative design that wasn't enough to save Hi Standard. Sadly Hi standard went under, many years ago. I'd love to find a crusader but there weren't many made and they're quite expensive if you can find one. The design of the action was VERY advanced and I'm surprised someone hasn't attempted to bring it back. __________________ Mark Lane to William Buckley: "Have you ever referred to Jessee Jackson as an ignoramus?" Buckley: "If I didn't, I should have"

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September 20, 2012, 08:38 AM	#2
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	This one was F/S a few weeks ago, but IDK if it ever sold. http://portland.wweek.com/SportsEqui...44-mag/7230872 .

September 20, 2012, 09:45 AM	#3
micromontenegro Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2010 Posts: 647	The High Standard Sentinel Mark II and III were made by Dan Wesson. The Crusader was an in-house design, and as far as I know, made by HS.

September 20, 2012, 10:15 PM	#5
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	Saw ONE-over 30 years ago. AFAIK it never really got into production.

September 20, 2012, 10:32 PM	#6
BillM Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Amity Oregon Posts: 791	Heck---how about a matched set, same serial number in 44 and 45? http://tangoyankee.com/sold/10-09-03...-09-03_01.html

September 21, 2012, 07:38 AM	#7
micromontenegro Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2010 Posts: 647	The schematic: As you can see, there's something DW related there (quite expected, the crusader being the replacement for the DW made Sentinels), but the actual lockwork is unique, and differs from DW's in most crucial parameters. A rare bird indeed.

October 10, 2012, 08:23 PM	#10
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	I don't know all the ins and outs but the Crusader shows nothing in common with the Dan Wesson designs except that it is a revolver. It also shares almost nothing with the earlier Sentinel revolvers, but I would assume it is a H-S in house design. Jim

October 12, 2012, 01:59 PM	#12
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	IIRC, the most innovative part of the design was having the hammer on an eccentric so it moved up and down to contact/miss the firing pin instead of using a transfer bar or a hammer block. But that idea was used (in a little different way) in the Hopkins and Allen Safety Police back around 1913. Hign Standard made the mistake of depending too much on one retailer, Sears. When Sears pulled out of the gun sales business (following the JFK assassination) H-S went down. Jim

January 31, 2013, 08:39 PM	#13
John Stimson Member Join Date: September 18, 2006 Posts: 16	This serial number list contains all production Crusaders. http://www.histandard.info/datapubli.../Crusaders.pdf