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April 22, 2011, 09:37 AM | #1 |
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mexico wants to sue gun manufactures
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April 22, 2011, 09:58 AM | #2 |
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What does the Mexican President have on Obama,,,
For 10 minutes I've been trying to type a cogent response to this,,,
I can't come up with a reasonable response to such an inane situation. It infuriates me is all I can really say. Our elected representatives should be slapped for allowing this nonsense to happen. Aarond
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April 22, 2011, 10:02 AM | #3 |
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Hmmm, call me cynical but that looks more like someone laundering money to me than it does an actual lawsuit.
I can't help but be reminded of the process by which the city of Chicago operates where the city litigates suits that they know they will lose (like the current SAF effort on ranges). The city pays "friendly" law firms with hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to defend against these suits and argue that there is nothing infringing about requiring people to have range training to own a firearm and then outlawing all ranges in the city. It would be interesting to see how much of those tax payer dollars are later converted into campaign donations to local politicians by the partners or law firms in question. So here we have the Mexican government paying their taxpayer's dollars to pursue a lawsuit in the United States with little chance of success - and the firm they picked to do it just happens to have recently had one of their partners nominated to the federal bench by President Obama. Maybe its just coincidence; but it seems to resemble the Chicago way in several particulars. |
April 22, 2011, 01:15 PM | #4 |
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Even more suspicious:
Did you notice the actual dates mentioned in the article were back in November? When I saw this last night I started wondering if the Obama administration called Mexico and said, "Hey, can you do something to distract people a little bit from this ATF fiasco?" Then Mexican "sources" get on the horn to CBS and start yakking about evil gun manufacturers and how Mexico's gun crime problem is all the manufacturer's fault, and "oh by the way did you notice we're suing those evil greedy capitalist merchants of death?" I already complained to the "CBS News Investigates" email address (investigates @ cbsnews.com) that running a story like that, with no mention of Project Gunrunner, was irresponsible.
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April 22, 2011, 01:42 PM | #5 |
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tyme, i 100 % agree, something is rotten in the white house.
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April 22, 2011, 04:13 PM | #6 | |
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Maybe they should sue the ATF, if they want to be taken seriously, and avoid the appearance of filing a fivolous lawsuit.
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Or maybe not.
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April 22, 2011, 05:28 PM | #8 | |
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I also love that an AR-15 is a machine gun. The amount of ignorance spewed about weapons just sickens me. |
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April 22, 2011, 06:12 PM | #9 |
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The tail wags the dog....?
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April 22, 2011, 06:22 PM | #10 |
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How about if the U.S. sues Mexico for the illicit drug trafficking in turn?
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April 22, 2011, 06:32 PM | #11 |
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The numbers that Calderon throws out are hard to believe. 10 million rounds of ammo? That's a crap pot load of Winchester white box or whatever brand of ammo flowing south. No wonder we had an ammo shortage. 50,000 AR-15's?
This sounds like military aid that got hi-jacked somewhere along the line. |
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April 22, 2011, 06:46 PM | #13 |
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Seems like a frivolous lawsuit meaning Rule 11 sanctions could be imposed with the result Mexico and even their attorneys might have to pay defense legal fees. Nah, never will happen because they would pick the most liberal district in the United States.
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April 22, 2011, 10:01 PM | #14 |
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Considering that their have been reports of Government issue weaponry being used to arm the cartels, it will be interesting to see if this legal action includes American based AR15 manufacturers that sold their weapons to the Mexican LE and Mil.
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April 22, 2011, 10:13 PM | #15 |
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Bart, is this what you were talking about:
The Law Firm, Reid Collins & Tsai was contracted on or about Nov. 5, 2010, By Pres. Calderon. A (major) partner, Marina G. Marmolejo, was first nominated to a federal judgeship (So. Dist. of Texas) on July 28, 2010. Her name (along with scads of others) was returned at the close of the 111th Congressional session. She was renominated on Jan. 5, 2011, for the same District Judgeship. Currently pending. The law firm has two offices. Besides the NYC office, they are also located in Austin, TX. |
April 22, 2011, 11:27 PM | #16 |
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I would love to hear their briefs about their specific cause of action as well as what gives them standing in a U.S. court against U.S. manufacturers that don't sell firearms in Mexico. Their grievance, if they actually had a valid one, SHOULD be against the U.S. government for failing to control its borders and for running Gunwalker. But that isn't the agenda here, now is it?
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April 23, 2011, 07:07 AM | #17 |
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Yes, that is the firm handling this case.
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April 24, 2011, 09:14 AM | #18 |
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Actually Mexicans are able to buy legal firearms in Mexico. The Army runs the business. How may of these legally sold firearms are being used for crimes?
If you do some digging you will see that the actual statement should be that 90% of the "traced" firearms originate from the United States. what percentage of the firearms that have been confiscated have been traced by the Mexican authorities? There lies the meat of the case. The ATF or FBI have only what the Mexican authorities have told them. They can only Trace guns that came from the United States. If the case came to court one would hope that the firearm companies and the NRA would question the evidence of the Mexican Government and the truth about the actual number of U.S. firearms used in crime below the border would come out. Also I believe the ATF has investigated about 2000 gun deals along the border. The reuslts have yielded no criminal charges and only tow revocations of the FFL. This lawsuit could be a good thing for the firearms industry and gun owners and shine some light on the truth. some more on the case: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...dustry-lawsuit So I would say to the Mexican Government..bring it.
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April 24, 2011, 10:07 AM | #19 |
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Take 3 deep breaths...
According to the NRA-ILA, the chances of this lawsuit going anywhere are between Slim and None, and Slim left town.
According to NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert Vol 18, No. 16, 4/22/2011 -- "This report describes Mexico's actions as a "novel approach," in reality, such lawsuits have been used for decades as a tactic by anti-gun groups and governments in their attempts to bankrupt gun manufacturers and circumvent the political process. That's why Congress passed the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act" in 2005. This act protects firearms manufacturers, distributors, dealers and importers from suits brought about as a result of "the harm solely caused by the criminal or unlawful misuse of firearm products or ammunition products by others when the product functioned as designed and intended." The outlook for a Mexican government suit looks dim; since the PLCAA was signed into law by President George W. Bush on Oct. 26, 2005, no federal court has allowed such a suit by a government plaintiff to go forward against a U.S. firearms manufacturer." (emphasis added) http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=6674 While the NRA could certainly be accused of being biased in this matter, they continue to produce evidence that - while certainly a percentage of weapons used by gangs in Mexico come from the US - a much larger percentage is comprised of military grade hardware (grenade launchers, etc.) coming into Mexico from Central and South America: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=6577
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