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September 14, 2015, 03:06 AM | #26 |
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I gotcha.
You might consider a shoulder stock for a pistol over the carbine. Pic borrowed from http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494632 With either I'd recommend keeping your off hand away from the front of the cylinder. |
September 14, 2015, 05:53 AM | #27 |
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I will share a couple of my Kirst conversion pistols with you all. Fun to build and dremel the loading port. Yet not cheap but it is unregistered beings home built.
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September 14, 2015, 06:39 AM | #28 |
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peggysue - not cheap was my experience as well. For the price of the BP revolver and Kirst Conversion - could've easily bought a new or used Ruger Blackhawk.
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Or....
....A Smokewagon or Cattleman.
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September 14, 2015, 08:45 AM | #31 |
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So how do those conversions work? Do they allow you to fire a CF cartridge out of a BP gun?
Isn't that risky with smokeless being so much more powerful? Or is it the cylinder that takes the brunt of the pressure?
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but depending on the gun it maynot be recommended to shoot common factory ammo. Quote:
Its not recommended that you use a brass framed revolver Kirst warns not to use loads greater then 1000fps .. There is debate as to what that’s all about but there it is . You don’t just go out and buy a can of smokeless and start cranking out shells. it’s the cylinder that takes most of the pressure . that’s not to say the barrel isn’t also subject to pressure . As we discussed previously it’s an overall design consideration , not just the pressure . Its best IMO if your going to shoot smokless, to either purchase so called cowboy rounds from a repratable source or do your research , collect recommended load data and learn to reload your own . In my 36 cal 1851 Uberti I load 4.2 gr of American select and a 125 heel bullet . Works very nice , low recoil and still pushing 900fps . If your on the cheep , its going to be cheeper to Buy one of the models that others have listed . That also , depending on the maker, can mean you can use Factory loads |
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Hickok45 and Mike Belvieu have videos on conversions, just google it
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Smokeless powder must be ignited with a sealed primer. This the cartridge conversions provide. You can't just set smokeless on fire with a spark, the primer explosion is responsible not only for igniting the powder, but also for establishing the initial high chamber pressure that smokeless needs to burn rapidly. There is a company called Weslake Engineering that takes modern Taurus revolvers and converts them to smokeless cap and ball pistols so that the British can more easily own them. These use #209 shotgun primers instead of #11 percussion caps.
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Revolving carbines were designed as a short range repeater to fire on human targets for the purpose of stopping them with a wound or a kill. It was never designed as a hunter piece and not for a long range piece. It is light and has a thin barrell. You COULD hunt small game such as rabbit and squirrel. A deer might be left wounded. Not much energy or accuracy or any means for developing distance accuracy. When you overload a cylinder in the Remington action you risk at the very least, warping the cylinder pin ton the point your cylinder is slightly angled, the cylinder pin now can't be withdrawn from the frame, the seating "hole" in the frame for the pin can be affected in that it takes a slight oval shape, the cylinder develops non-visible cracks or visible cracks thus becoming a serious hazard to fire again. Also in these actions, anything at all positioned beyond the cone becomes the cause of a barrell bulge. Never ever trust a revolver action of this sort to anything generating extreme pressures. It simply isn't designed for it and it can injure or kill and or destroy a very valuable piece.
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September 17, 2015, 03:08 PM | #36 |
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simply put NO.
If all the machining is correct based on being a true 44 presume chambers are bored at .448 the bore is a true .440 (44 caliber) the groove depth is .003 (common these days) remember the earlier model piettas used odd # of grooves, thus at any given spot no two grooves were in exact alignment ( close, but not exact.) thus you would have a max internal diameter in the barrel of .443, but the projectile except some very small areas would actually only be .440. Thus the projectile now for all intents and purposes would be a slip fit in the chamber. It would no longer have the tight friction fit needed to stay in-place until enough gas pressure had built up from the ignition and burning of the powder behind it, to dislodge it and propel it down the barrel. I wouldn't worry about the extra powder because of this. But even if it would work, still would worry about the 5 or 8 grains you might gain Now if you meant seat the ball just above the forcing cone still in the barrel. Then again no. Majority of the 'force" from igniting, will just go out the cylinder end gap. Also since you have not in anyway, "contained" the explosion of the ignition and powder burning, the pressures just aren't going to be there anyway. Yes the pressure that is developed, might propel the ball out the barrel, But it won't have enough force behind it, to be useful for hunting or even target practice. Mostly all you will get is a powder flash, just as if you lit a pile of powder on the table top. Last edited by DD4lifeusmc; September 17, 2015 at 03:14 PM. |
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