Which Rifle? - Page 2

Water-Man · August 22, 2008, 09:31 AM

+1 on what bclark1 posted.

one-shot-one · August 22, 2008, 11:31 AM

your gonna have to change your name, that was one of the best answers i have seen.

i sugest guntotin_guru.

wyobohunter · August 23, 2008, 12:23 AM

Well ,I've never shot a 280 rem, startin to feel like I'm missing out though (another thing to consider for a sheep rifle). I do however love the 45-70; I shoot a Marlin guide gun... before I took the scope off i could group well inside of an 8" target @ 200 yds from the bench with the hornady factory loads (bought a box of factory ammo just to see if it met the hype). I bet your deer hunt will not include a nice bench rest at every shot oppurtunity though. I now have XS ghost ring sights and feel confident to 100 yds offhand at the same size target, given time/terrain I could make a clean kill to about 150 yds (my personal max given my abilities). With my current setup. I have killed an elk at about 80 yards prone w/ jacket for rest..bang... dead... and two muleys, one at about fifty yards offhand... bang ... dead... and one at just over one hundred from the prone, same results. I shoot 405 gr hardcast w/ a fairly stout load of H4198. What gun/load is your 45-70?

HiBC · August 23, 2008, 01:01 AM

It don't matter.

You aren't asking which is a better deer gun,a 17HMR or a 32H+R mag

You are looking at two sound choices. True,techno-wise,the .280 is probably the best ballistic tool to easily harvest the deer,but doggone,its a deer hunt,not a moon shot.

Enjoying life is the point.What will you enjoy the most? I'd respect either choice

KY Jim · August 23, 2008, 01:02 AM

The 280 Remington is not the most versital cartridge that title belongs to its parent cartridge the old 30-06. Which has 102 yrs of field use under its belt to earn and keep that title. Having said that I would go with the 45-70 and the new Hornady Ammo for this senero for two reasons. 1) This is the rifle you are most familiar with and 2) this cartridge will knock down a charging Rhino if loaded properly and the Buffalo Bore Ammo Co has some great Magnum 45-70 loads that can be used in Falling Block, Lever and NEF rifles but, don't use these in the old Trap Door Models and if the 45-70 you have is a trapdoor then go with the 280.
Jim

kraigwy · August 23, 2008, 01:43 PM

How about figuring which one you shoot the best and going with that.

Just a thought.

I have to laugh at the question about any deer taken with the 45-70 though. Only a gazzilian. Not to mention millions of buffalo.

Don't need magnum type loads in a 45-70 unless you just like to get beat up. I have a Browning 1895 in 45-70, it will take any 45-70 load out there but I shoot a 405 grn cast bullet at about 1200 FPS, nice and mild. I use 29 Grns of 4198, it duplicates the Trap door load which killed millions of buffalo.

guntotin_fool · August 23, 2008, 07:35 PM

KY Jim, my statement was made on the ability of the 280 to commonly shoot light bullets all the way down to about 95 grains for larger varmints and will kill anything a 30-06 will on the top end when loaded with the right bullets. It has a wider spread in my mind. They are still both great rounds.

My suggestion on bring both seems to have been skipped.

I would also say that while the 45-70 is a great round, its a round that takes more skill in range estimation than many have and it really only shows it's best work when loaded with handloads. I have 2 currently, an original 86 and a 71 that was rebarrelled back into 45 -70 at sometime. I had a early marlin that was made into a trapper carbine, but I sold that when I was no longer willing to put up with the nagging of a friend.

lizziedog1 · August 23, 2008, 07:52 PM

Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I haven't responded sooner. But I am a very busy man. Tomorrow I am going to range test both riflles. I'll post a report ASAP!

TheNatureBoy · August 24, 2008, 06:01 PM

Hunting deer with a rifle that could kill a rhino. Sounds like over kill to me. You can accomplish the same thing with a .280. Your choice. Have a safe hunt

wyobohunter · August 24, 2008, 06:26 PM

Actually, if you use proper bullets and place the shots well you wont ruin any meat. Lots of folks hunt little Sitka Blacktail deer on Kodiak with a .338 or .375, my 45-70 has worked just fine for me on Wyoming Mule Deer.

lizziedog1 · August 31, 2008, 12:21 PM

DSCN0003.jpg

This is the the last target I shot at. The one shot by itself was prior to making a scope correction. This target was set up at 100 yards. I know the target is upside down, it is the way I attached it to the target stand. This was fired with my .280. I guess it would be adequate.

Thanks for all the help from you all. I am sorry I have not responded sooner. Like I said earlier, I have been very busy.

ringworm · September 1, 2008, 10:34 AM

Quote:

If I decide to go with this gun I'll have to work up a load from scratch.

why?
cant you buy factory ammo?

Remington 280 Rem, 150 Grain, Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt

August 22, 2008, 11:31 AM	#27
one-shot-one Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2002 Location: texas Posts: 129	guntotin_fool your gonna have to change your name, that was one of the best answers i have seen. i sugest guntotin_guru.

August 23, 2008, 12:23 AM	#28
wyobohunter Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Back in Wyoming Posts: 1,125	45-70 or 280 rem??? Well ,I've never shot a 280 rem, startin to feel like I'm missing out though (another thing to consider for a sheep rifle). I do however love the 45-70; I shoot a Marlin guide gun... before I took the scope off i could group well inside of an 8" target @ 200 yds from the bench with the hornady factory loads (bought a box of factory ammo just to see if it met the hype). I bet your deer hunt will not include a nice bench rest at every shot oppurtunity though. I now have XS ghost ring sights and feel confident to 100 yds offhand at the same size target, given time/terrain I could make a clean kill to about 150 yds (my personal max given my abilities). With my current setup. I have killed an elk at about 80 yards prone w/ jacket for rest..bang... dead... and two muleys, one at about fifty yards offhand... bang ... dead... and one at just over one hundred from the prone, same results. I shoot 405 gr hardcast w/ a fairly stout load of H4198. What gun/load is your 45-70?

August 23, 2008, 01:02 AM	#30
KY Jim Member Join Date: August 14, 2008 Posts: 55	The 280 Remington is not the most versital cartridge that title belongs to its parent cartridge the old 30-06. Which has 102 yrs of field use under its belt to earn and keep that title. Having said that I would go with the 45-70 and the new Hornady Ammo for this senero for two reasons. 1) This is the rifle you are most familiar with and 2) this cartridge will knock down a charging Rhino if loaded properly and the Buffalo Bore Ammo Co has some great Magnum 45-70 loads that can be used in Falling Block, Lever and NEF rifles but, don't use these in the old Trap Door Models and if the 45-70 you have is a trapdoor then go with the 280. Jim __________________ KY Jim Gun Control means Hitting Your Target!!!!! It's the Criminals Stupid!!!!!

August 23, 2008, 01:43 PM	#31
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	How about figuring which one you shoot the best and going with that. Just a thought. I have to laugh at the question about any deer taken with the 45-70 though. Only a gazzilian. Not to mention millions of buffalo. Don't need magnum type loads in a 45-70 unless you just like to get beat up. I have a Browning 1895 in 45-70, it will take any 45-70 load out there but I shoot a 405 grn cast bullet at about 1200 FPS, nice and mild. I use 29 Grns of 4198, it duplicates the Trap door load which killed millions of buffalo. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

August 24, 2008, 06:26 PM	#35
wyobohunter Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Back in Wyoming Posts: 1,125	45-70 for deer Actually, if you use proper bullets and place the shots well you wont ruin any meat. Lots of folks hunt little Sitka Blacktail deer on Kodiak with a .338 or .375, my 45-70 has worked just fine for me on Wyoming Mule Deer.

August 22, 2008, 09:31 AM	#26
Water-Man Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,126	+1 on what bclark1 posted.

August 23, 2008, 01:01 AM	#29
HiBC Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Posts: 8,288	It don't matter. You aren't asking which is a better deer gun,a 17HMR or a 32H+R mag You are looking at two sound choices. True,techno-wise,the .280 is probably the best ballistic tool to easily harvest the deer,but doggone,its a deer hunt,not a moon shot. Enjoying life is the point.What will you enjoy the most? I'd respect either choice

August 23, 2008, 07:35 PM	#32
guntotin_fool Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2004 Posts: 1,446	KY Jim, my statement was made on the ability of the 280 to commonly shoot light bullets all the way down to about 95 grains for larger varmints and will kill anything a 30-06 will on the top end when loaded with the right bullets. It has a wider spread in my mind. They are still both great rounds. My suggestion on bring both seems to have been skipped. I would also say that while the 45-70 is a great round, its a round that takes more skill in range estimation than many have and it really only shows it's best work when loaded with handloads. I have 2 currently, an original 86 and a 71 that was rebarrelled back into 45 -70 at sometime. I had a early marlin that was made into a trapper carbine, but I sold that when I was no longer willing to put up with the nagging of a friend.

August 23, 2008, 07:52 PM	#33
lizziedog1 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2005 Posts: 289	Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I haven't responded sooner. But I am a very busy man. Tomorrow I am going to range test both riflles. I'll post a report ASAP!

August 24, 2008, 06:01 PM	#34
TheNatureBoy Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2007 Posts: 1,204	Hunting deer with a rifle that could kill a rhino. Sounds like over kill to me. You can accomplish the same thing with a .280. Your choice. Have a safe hunt

August 31, 2008, 12:21 PM	#36
lizziedog1 Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2005 Posts: 289	DSCN0003.jpg This is the the last target I shot at. The one shot by itself was prior to making a scope correction. This target was set up at 100 yards. I know the target is upside down, it is the way I attached it to the target stand. This was fired with my .280. I guess it would be adequate. Thanks for all the help from you all. I am sorry I have not responded sooner. Like I said earlier, I have been very busy.