Boxer's "Common Sense" Concealed Carry Law

Micropterus · January 24, 2011, 10:08 PM

I looked to see if this as been covered here and didn't see any previous references to it.

http://yubanet.com/usa/Boxer-to-Intr...ct-of-2011.php

On its face, this seems doomed to failure. Unlike interstate commerce, the federal government would appear to have no jurisdiction over what is traditionally, and solely, a state's issue.

It appears to me this bill, along with its caricature name, was written to fail so as to be used later as an example of "common sense" laws opposed by the gun lobby and pro-rights politicians. I can just hear Ms. "Call me senator" screeching about anyone that would oppose "a common sense" approach to concealed carry licensing.

jmortimer · January 24, 2011, 10:30 PM

Another foolish liberal idea. Sad to say my vote did not make enough of a difference to get rid of this most worthless woman.

Silver Bullet · January 24, 2011, 11:12 PM

Where are all the folks here who were claiming a month ago that gun control was off the Dems' agenda ?

Where'd they all go ?

ncpatriot · January 24, 2011, 11:40 PM

Those folks are experts at laying low for awhile, then springing up with whatever schemes they've been working on in the basement.

ncpatriot · January 24, 2011, 11:44 PM

Jmortimer, I feel for all of you in California. You have Boxer, Pelosi, Jerry Brown, Pelosi, Waters & Sheriff Sandra Hutchins. How much more can you bear before your back breaks.

I was amazed to see Youtube video of county board meetings where 2 Orange County supervisors chastised Sheriff Hutchins for revoking ccw permits. Norby & Nguyen were the ones. I wrote to both of them, thanking them for standing up for their citizens against a tyrant. You have a few leaders fighting for you there, if they can survive.

ncpatriot · January 24, 2011, 11:46 PM

Let's all get busy calling our Senators, faxing them & notifying our state level organizations to help get word around.

jmortimer · January 25, 2011, 12:57 AM

"I wrote to both of them, thanking them for standing up for their citizens against a tyrant. You have a few leaders fighting for you there, if they can survive." Thank you - more than I did and I live here. I'm done with RINOs, liberals and any other politicians who compromise in any way.

Davey · January 25, 2011, 02:38 AM

Show good cause? What a joke.

alloy · January 25, 2011, 06:42 AM

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to determine whether the permit applicant is worthy of the public trust and has shown good cause

Same might be said of her bill, but I gotta think the other states don't want to regress to whatever common sense California uses as it's standard for permit issuance.

nate45 · January 25, 2011, 07:18 AM

How about instead a new 'Common Sense' Political Speech Law. Under this new law Senators who with out 'just cause' propose new inane, unconstitutional legislation, will be declared devoid of the 'public trust' and removed from office.

Don't laugh it makes as more sense than Boxer's ideas.

Kreyzhorse · January 25, 2011, 08:18 AM

I'm guessing that her "standards" and "cause" would exclude most CCW holders. I don't think she can get any support for that however I find it interesting that all of the anti-gun folk are using Arizona as a rallying point.

tmorone · January 25, 2011, 08:36 AM

If common sense was common, people like her would have it.

Whew, there...I feel better.

**Mike Irwin** · January 25, 2011, 08:56 AM

"Where are all the folks here who were claiming a month ago that gun control was off the Dems' agenda ?"

Off the agenda for the Democratic party as a whole and never to be brought up again under any circumstances by traditional foes of firearms are two completely different things.

We saw some of the same stuff from the same people after Virginia Tech.

How successful were the gun control proponents then?

Seems to me that there wasn't a party-wide movement towards adopting new gun control measures with the party traditionally in favor of such measures in control of both houses of Congress.

That should tell you something right there if you're willing to look at it.

Gun control also wasn't the kind of political topic for the Democrats as a whole in the 2008 or 2010 elections that it was in 2000.

So yeah, collectively, for the National Party, gun control still seems to be off the Democratic agenda.

spacecoast · January 25, 2011, 08:59 AM

The permitting process already provides the states plenty of opportunity to deny permits. Given the harm she has perpetrated for decades, she should be required to show just cause each time she opens her mouth.

Double Naught Spy · January 25, 2011, 09:00 AM

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Where are all the folks here who were claiming a month ago that gun control was off the Dems' agenda ? Where'd they all go ?

This was posted last evening. It isn't like everyone has even seen it yet. The same query might be asked of you. Where were you between the morning of January 22 and the evening of January 24? All of this was public knowledge, but you didn't post it, did you?

They haven't gone anywhere. Their call was accurate...until Loughner committed mass murder and wounded several others including a senator. Gun control was largely off the agenda because they had no rallying point behind which to drive/sponsor gun control. Nobody claimed gun control was permanently off the Dems' agenda.

As with many such laws, this law would not have prevented what happened in Arizona, in part because Arizona doesn't have permitted carry, but Boxer is trying to take advantage of the current event in order to get this legislation through. The tactic is common and used by both parties. I would have been surprised if the Dems didn't try to take advantage of it.

alloy · January 25, 2011, 09:22 AM

What are there 2 or 3 new bills since Tuscon?
King, Schumer, and now Boxer, I get that right?
Kinda like throwing spaghetti noodles against the wall to see if one sticks.
Doesn't seem to be a coordinated effort, just publicity minded people sponsoring bills and getting some face-time.
Write my reps letters of course, cause I like to.

dlb435 · January 25, 2011, 09:28 AM

I couldn't find the text of the proposed bill, anyone got a link?

**Mike Irwin** · January 25, 2011, 09:39 AM

"Doesn't seem to be a coordinated effort, just publicity minded people sponsoring bills and getting some face-time."

Exactly.

These are, so to speak, the usual suspects when it comes to spitting out anti-gun bills in response to just about anything.

There's no support or push coming from the Democratic Party on them.

carguychris · January 25, 2011, 09:53 AM

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Off the agenda for the Democratic party as a whole and never to be brought up again under any circumstances by traditional foes of firearms are two completely different things... Seems to me that there wasn't a party-wide movement towards adopting new gun control measures with the party traditionally in favor of such measures in control of both houses of Congress.

+1. Both parties have a tendency to moderate their positions when they're in the majority in an effort to maintain that control. However, when their control is waning, a party will often try to motivate their base by bringing up controversial issues that have great appeal to radical factions within the party but are unpopular with the public in general. There's also usually a good deal of infighting about who is responsible for the party's failure in the polls, so party leaders have a harder time quashing dissent and keeping individual legislators "on message".

This bill is a perfect example. It has two of the classic hallmarks; its title contains a glittering generality ("Common Sense" in this case- "Freedom", "Liberty", "Democracy", and "Values" are other popular ones), and it contains provisions that make passage highly unlikely.

We're going to see lots of this pablum over the next 2 years because Congress itself is split, so party leaders on both sides know that a controversial bill won't need to go through complex negotiations and multiple votes to make it to the President's desk to die; the other chamber will most likely kill it first.

This is not surprising.

Al Norris · January 25, 2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Where are all the folks here who were claiming a month ago that gun control was off the Dems' agenda ? Where'd they all go ?

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Originally Posted by ncpatriot

Those folks are experts at laying low for awhile, then springing up with whatever schemes they've been working on in the basement.

Really?

So how about the both of you getting a PACER account to help track all the civil rights cases I, and a very few others, are tracking and reporting upon. It will only take your time and a couple of hundred dollars every quarter to do this.

As it stands, there are only 3 or 4 of us, nationwide, that are doing all of this for you folks. It would cost all of us less, and take all of us less time, if more of you would do this to help out.

Or...

How about doing what gc70 did with the last Congressional session? You know, search the Thomas engine every week to see what new gun laws were proposed. That doesn't cost you anything but your time. He did it for 2 years straight. Where were you guys?

It's easier to whine though, yes?

As others have said, a month ago, there was no "disaster" by which the more jaded members of Congress could rally around. As it stands, there is no large anti-gun movement in Congress. Just a couple of idiots grandstanding in the blood of the victims.

Here's what you all should be thinking of: For all of you that have been whining about a national reciprocity bill, this is exactly why I'm against such things. Once the feds get their hands on such a thing (assuming it passes muster with the Courts), they will be attaching more and more restrictions upon who gets a CCW and what type of training is required to meet the criteria of acceptance....

Ah hell! I'm going back to my basement to hatch another scheme....

SVO · January 25, 2011, 01:45 PM

These bills are no great surprise. Politicians tend to get itchy to take action, especially when something like this happens to one of their own.

Micropterus · January 25, 2011, 07:57 PM

I actually think ncpatriot was referring to those antis who come up with these schemes.

As for schemes, I can't help but believe that Boxer wrote this thing with the intent that it fail. I believe the federal government clearly lacks jurisdiction on this matter. She knows that. But give it a catchy name, write it so that it fails on its face, blame anyone that opposes it even on constituional grounds, and suddenly you have more ammunition for your anti-gun rants.

"In 2011 I proposed legistation for 'common sense' concealed carry laws, and they opposed it! The bastards!" she will be heard screaching.

Silver Bullet · January 26, 2011, 09:06 AM

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Those folks are experts at laying low for awhile, then springing up with whatever schemes they've been working on in the basement.

You got it !

langenc · January 28, 2011, 06:34 PM

The Dems gun control policy---nibble, nibble, nibble, nibble.

Two steps forward and an occasional step backward. Lately more back than forward.

Tuscon and a dozen incidents before has many citizens thinking why we dont have more carriers, carrying in MORE places. Homeland security...

dlb435 · January 29, 2011, 09:25 AM

I just checked Barbra Boxer's web site. No mention of the bill. Looks like she has decided not to introduce the bill.

January 24, 2011, 10:08 PM	#1
Micropterus Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 2009 Location: Newport News, Virginia Posts: 306	Boxer's "Common Sense" Concealed Carry Law I looked to see if this as been covered here and didn't see any previous references to it. http://yubanet.com/usa/Boxer-to-Intr...ct-of-2011.php On its face, this seems doomed to failure. Unlike interstate commerce, the federal government would appear to have no jurisdiction over what is traditionally, and solely, a state's issue. It appears to me this bill, along with its caricature name, was written to fail so as to be used later as an example of "common sense" laws opposed by the gun lobby and pro-rights politicians. I can just hear Ms. "Call me senator" screeching about anyone that would oppose "a common sense" approach to concealed carry licensing. __________________ Regards, Rowland

January 24, 2011, 11:12 PM	#3
Silver Bullet Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 995	Where are all the folks here who were claiming a month ago that gun control was off the Dems' agenda ? Where'd they all go ? __________________ I am not a real bullet, nor do I play one on television. American socialism: Democrats trying to get Republicans to provide for them.

January 24, 2011, 11:40 PM	#4
ncpatriot Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2009 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 371	Those folks are experts at laying low for awhile, then springing up with whatever schemes they've been working on in the basement. __________________ Remember the American heroes of Flight 93.

January 24, 2011, 11:44 PM	#5
ncpatriot Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2009 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 371	Jmortimer, I feel for all of you in California. You have Boxer, Pelosi, Jerry Brown, Pelosi, Waters & Sheriff Sandra Hutchins. How much more can you bear before your back breaks. I was amazed to see Youtube video of county board meetings where 2 Orange County supervisors chastised Sheriff Hutchins for revoking ccw permits. Norby & Nguyen were the ones. I wrote to both of them, thanking them for standing up for their citizens against a tyrant. You have a few leaders fighting for you there, if they can survive. __________________ Remember the American heroes of Flight 93.

January 24, 2011, 11:46 PM	#6
ncpatriot Senior Member Join Date: March 4, 2009 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 371	Let's all get busy calling our Senators, faxing them & notifying our state level organizations to help get word around. __________________ Remember the American heroes of Flight 93.

January 24, 2011, 10:30 PM	#2
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	Another foolish liberal idea. Sad to say my vote did not make enough of a difference to get rid of this most worthless woman.

January 25, 2011, 12:57 AM	#7
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	"I wrote to both of them, thanking them for standing up for their citizens against a tyrant. You have a few leaders fighting for you there, if they can survive." Thank you - more than I did and I live here. I'm done with RINOs, liberals and any other politicians who compromise in any way.

January 25, 2011, 02:38 AM	#8
Davey Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2010 Location: Not far enough from Chicago Posts: 394	Show good cause? What a joke.

January 25, 2011, 07:18 AM	#10
nate45 Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,746	How about instead a new 'Common Sense' Political Speech Law. Under this new law Senators who with out 'just cause' propose new inane, unconstitutional legislation, will be declared devoid of the 'public trust' and removed from office. Don't laugh it makes as more sense than Boxer's ideas. __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."- Thomas Jefferson ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (>_<)

January 25, 2011, 08:18 AM	#11
Kreyzhorse Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2006 Location: NKY Posts: 12,463	I'm guessing that her "standards" and "cause" would exclude most CCW holders. I don't think she can get any support for that however I find it interesting that all of the anti-gun folk are using Arizona as a rallying point. __________________ "He who laughs last, laughs dead." Homer Simpson

January 25, 2011, 08:36 AM	#12
tmorone Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2010 Posts: 221	If common sense was common, people like her would have it. Whew, there...I feel better.

January 25, 2011, 08:56 AM	#13
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	"Where are all the folks here who were claiming a month ago that gun control was off the Dems' agenda ?" Off the agenda for the Democratic party as a whole and never to be brought up again under any circumstances by traditional foes of firearms are two completely different things. We saw some of the same stuff from the same people after Virginia Tech. How successful were the gun control proponents then? Seems to me that there wasn't a party-wide movement towards adopting new gun control measures with the party traditionally in favor of such measures in control of both houses of Congress. That should tell you something right there if you're willing to look at it. Gun control also wasn't the kind of political topic for the Democrats as a whole in the 2008 or 2010 elections that it was in 2000. So yeah, collectively, for the National Party, gun control still seems to be off the Democratic agenda. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 25, 2011, 08:59 AM	#14
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 4,461	The permitting process already provides the states plenty of opportunity to deny permits. Given the harm she has perpetrated for decades, she should be required to show just cause each time she opens her mouth.

January 25, 2011, 09:28 AM	#17
dlb435 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Posts: 654	I couldn't find the text of the proposed bill, anyone got a link?

January 25, 2011, 09:39 AM	#18
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	"Doesn't seem to be a coordinated effort, just publicity minded people sponsoring bills and getting some face-time." Exactly. These are, so to speak, the usual suspects when it comes to spitting out anti-gun bills in response to just about anything. There's no support or push coming from the Democratic Party on them. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 25, 2011, 01:45 PM	#21
SVO Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 728	These bills are no great surprise. Politicians tend to get itchy to take action, especially when something like this happens to one of their own.

January 25, 2011, 07:57 PM	#22
Micropterus Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 2009 Location: Newport News, Virginia Posts: 306	I actually think ncpatriot was referring to those antis who come up with these schemes. As for schemes, I can't help but believe that Boxer wrote this thing with the intent that it fail. I believe the federal government clearly lacks jurisdiction on this matter. She knows that. But give it a catchy name, write it so that it fails on its face, blame anyone that opposes it even on constituional grounds, and suddenly you have more ammunition for your anti-gun rants. "In 2011 I proposed legistation for 'common sense' concealed carry laws, and they opposed it! The bastards!" she will be heard screaching. __________________ Regards, Rowland

January 28, 2011, 06:34 PM	#24
langenc Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2007 Location: Montmorency Co, MI Posts: 1,551	The Dems gun control policy---nibble, nibble, nibble, nibble. Two steps forward and an occasional step backward. Lately more back than forward. Tuscon and a dozen incidents before has many citizens thinking why we dont have more carriers, carrying in MORE places. Homeland security...

January 29, 2011, 09:25 AM	#25
dlb435 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Posts: 654	I just checked Barbra Boxer's web site. No mention of the bill. Looks like she has decided not to introduce the bill.