Gun Regispration II

Maromero · March 4, 2010, 01:59 PM

What is the status of the firearm fingerprinting automated tracking system? Is it functioning and if so, what manufacturers are providing information?

**Tom Servo** · March 4, 2010, 02:10 PM

Could you be more specific?

brickeyee · March 4, 2010, 04:07 PM

As far as I know only NY and MD actually collect the shell casings.

So far it has just been an expensive boondoggle.

Maromero · March 4, 2010, 07:04 PM

Firearms companies where to voluntarily provide firearms fingerprints like casings and slugs mated to a gun's serial number, to be stored into a database.

knight0334 · March 4, 2010, 09:26 PM

Manufacturers dont supply such info to the two(NY & MD), maybe 3 states, doing that. The FFL does it when its transferred, or you have to submit the gun to the police to take a sample. ...or something like that.

The other 47 or 48 states do not track such things.

Maromero · March 4, 2010, 09:35 PM

I was refering at a Federal level, not State.

**Tom Servo** · March 4, 2010, 10:27 PM

There is absolutely no such legislation pending on the Federal level.

johnwilliamson062 · March 4, 2010, 11:16 PM

are you talking about the laser ingracing in chambers so the shell would hae the guns serial number on it? I think that died also and was never at the federal level.

Maromero · March 4, 2010, 11:20 PM

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autom...edirected=true

I once read Glock participates and provides information to the database regarding new weapons but I wouldn't bet the bank on it.

Al Norris · March 5, 2010, 09:21 AM

What that wiki page is showing you, is that there is an installed system to identify spent cases, based upon the markings left by firing the cartridge. It says absolutely nothing about any law being in place to mandate such things. It is merely a forensic tool that is widely accepted by various law enforcement entities.

There is no current federal law that mandates that each and every gun bought or sold must submit a spent case to be cataloged.

Many, if not most, handgun manufacturers supply a spent case with the purchase of a new handgun. If you live in NY or MD, this case must be submitted to your PD (IIRC). Other than that, mount it or throw it away (or reload it, if you are a handloader).

To date, not a single crime has been solved in NY or MD with this (expensive) system. Could be that lawful firearms owners don't normally commit crimes?

**Tom Servo** · March 5, 2010, 12:49 PM

Regarding Maryland's MD-IBIS program,

Quote:

(…) one year later, the Maryland State Police Forensic Sciences Division reversed course, citing “the failure of the MD-IBIS to provide any meaningful hits.” The report found that the program “has not met expectations and does not aid in the Mission statement of the Department of State Police.” It recommended that the data collection be suspended and that MD-IBIS staff be transferred to the DNA database unit.

The report concluded that MD-IBIS,

Quote:

had not proven to be a time saving tool for the firearms examiner or an investigative enhancement to the criminal investigator (…) it has simply failed in the mission and vision concepts originally established for the program.

Since its inception in 2001, the effort cost $2.6 million in taxpayer funds. In 2005, a bill was introduced to defund the initiative.

SAAMI reports that the New York version of the program has failed to turn up a single useful hit, and that as of September 2008, it is hopelessly backlogged.

March 4, 2010, 01:59 PM	#1
Maromero Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Outside the continental U Posts: 752	Gun Regispration II What is the status of the firearm fingerprinting automated tracking system? Is it functioning and if so, what manufacturers are providing information?

March 4, 2010, 02:10 PM	#2
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	Could you be more specific? __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

March 4, 2010, 10:27 PM	#7
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	There is absolutely no such legislation pending on the Federal level. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

March 4, 2010, 04:07 PM	#3
brickeyee Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2004 Posts: 3,351	As far as I know only NY and MD actually collect the shell casings. So far it has just been an expensive boondoggle.

March 4, 2010, 07:04 PM	#4
Maromero Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Outside the continental U Posts: 752	Firearms companies where to voluntarily provide firearms fingerprints like casings and slugs mated to a gun's serial number, to be stored into a database.

March 4, 2010, 09:26 PM	#5
knight0334 Senior Member Join Date: January 1, 2006 Location: Brookville, PA Posts: 442	Manufacturers dont supply such info to the two(NY & MD), maybe 3 states, doing that. The FFL does it when its transferred, or you have to submit the gun to the police to take a sample. ...or something like that. The other 47 or 48 states do not track such things.

March 4, 2010, 09:35 PM	#6
Maromero Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Outside the continental U Posts: 752	I was refering at a Federal level, not State.

March 4, 2010, 11:16 PM	#8
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	are you talking about the laser ingracing in chambers so the shell would hae the guns serial number on it? I think that died also and was never at the federal level.

March 4, 2010, 11:20 PM	#9
Maromero Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Outside the continental U Posts: 752	http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autom...edirected=true I once read Glock participates and provides information to the database regarding new weapons but I wouldn't bet the bank on it.

March 5, 2010, 09:21 AM	#10
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	What that wiki page is showing you, is that there is an installed system to identify spent cases, based upon the markings left by firing the cartridge. It says absolutely nothing about any law being in place to mandate such things. It is merely a forensic tool that is widely accepted by various law enforcement entities. There is no current federal law that mandates that each and every gun bought or sold must submit a spent case to be cataloged. Many, if not most, handgun manufacturers supply a spent case with the purchase of a new handgun. If you live in NY or MD, this case must be submitted to your PD (IIRC). Other than that, mount it or throw it away (or reload it, if you are a handloader). To date, not a single crime has been solved in NY or MD with this (expensive) system. Could be that lawful firearms owners don't normally commit crimes?