Black Talon

rmocarsky · November 1, 2012, 09:37 PM

I hope this is the right place to ask.

Does Winchester currently produce a 250 gr. .44 Magnum comparable to their defunct Black Talon?

Rmocarsky

Super Sneaky Steve · November 1, 2012, 09:40 PM

Look for Winchester Ranger T ammo. It's expensive, not really worth it if you ask me, but it's the same thing as the tallons.

RamItOne · November 1, 2012, 10:12 PM

Ranger SXT = Same eXact Thing (or at least 95%) as the back talon, just doesn't haven that black lubolox coating on it.

rmocarsky · November 1, 2012, 11:28 PM

Is the Ranger SXT for law enforcement only?

If it is, (which I am not LE), does Winchester make a civilian version of 250 gr. .44 Mag similar to SXT?

Rmocarsky

RamItOne · November 1, 2012, 11:31 PM

Winchester does not sell to civilians, but places no restrictions on who sellers can sell to

MLeake · November 2, 2012, 12:42 AM

Ranger T and Ranger SXT are NOT the same. Bullet construction is different. The T is better, IMO. (Edit: based on the lower prices one usually finds on SXT, I think others may share my opinion.)

LockedBreech · November 2, 2012, 01:52 AM

Mleake nailed it. The SXT basically IS the Talon, and the T is an improved version (I think it stands for Winchester Ranger Talon).

try out sgammo.com for 50-round LE-marked boxes, they're a better deal. If they're not stocked up try ammotogo.com

While my preference is ATK ammo (Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot) the Winchester Ranger-T is a highly proven round and you'll be well-served with it.

These links may or may not be helpful. To my surprise they were the only ones I could find at SG and Ammotogo, and they are usually my go-to.

240-grain Speer Gold Dot .44 Magnum
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...m-hollow-point

250-grain Winchester Platinum Tip .44 Magnum
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...m-hollow-point

Webleymkv · November 2, 2012, 08:34 AM

Winchester does not make the Ranger Line in revolver calibers larger than .38 Special. The Platinum Tip that Locked Breech referenced, however, is based upon the old Black Talon design and is about as close as you're going to get to a modern-day BT in .44 Magnum.

EdInk · November 2, 2012, 08:37 AM

On a side note, IIRC one of the designers of the Black Talon later went to work for Remington and helped to develop the Golden Saber. Which is another good cartridge. Moreover, a lot of the hype for the Black Talon was created by the media. It was a good design but IMHO there are better things available now even to the general public.

Redhawk5.5+P+ · November 2, 2012, 11:42 PM

To which do you want this magic bullet in a 44magnum anyway?

Cheapshooter · November 2, 2012, 11:59 PM

Which current Winchester 44 Magnum round most closely compares to the discontinued 250 Gr Partition Gold round?

Ben Towe · November 3, 2012, 05:19 PM

The legend of Black Talon is due solely to media hype. According them it would shoot through 12 cops, two Abrams tanks and an APC and kill a cute puppy two counties over...

In the real world it was a good bullet design but there are ones just as good and even better today, so I would not limit myself to a bullet simply because of it's Black Talon heritage.

Rampant_Colt · November 3, 2012, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmocarsky

I hope this is the right place to ask.

Does Winchester currently produce a 250 gr. .44 Magnum comparable to their defunct Black Talon?

Rmocarsky

Yes, check out as LockedBreech suggested:
W-W 250gr Winchester Supreme Platinum Tip .44 Magnum

Or their new
Supreme Elite 240gr Dual Bond .44 Rem. Magnum

..Or I'll sell you my last remaining 20rd box of 250gr Black Talons for $100 plus shipping

November 1, 2012, 09:37 PM	#1
rmocarsky Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Posts: 406	Black Talon I hope this is the right place to ask. Does Winchester currently produce a 250 gr. .44 Magnum comparable to their defunct Black Talon? Rmocarsky

November 1, 2012, 10:12 PM	#3
RamItOne Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2011 Posts: 990	Ranger SXT = Same eXact Thing (or at least 95%) as the back talon, just doesn't haven that black lubolox coating on it. __________________ M&P- the other dark meat https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rtant/DJyvnHz0 Last edited by RamItOne; November 2, 2012 at 08:52 PM.

November 1, 2012, 11:31 PM	#5
RamItOne Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2011 Posts: 990	Winchester does not sell to civilians, but places no restrictions on who sellers can sell to __________________ M&P- the other dark meat https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rtant/DJyvnHz0

November 2, 2012, 01:52 AM	#7
LockedBreech Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2009 Location: Rocky Mountain West Posts: 3,395	Mleake nailed it. The SXT basically IS the Talon, and the T is an improved version (I think it stands for Winchester Ranger Talon). try out sgammo.com for 50-round LE-marked boxes, they're a better deal. If they're not stocked up try ammotogo.com While my preference is ATK ammo (Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot) the Winchester Ranger-T is a highly proven round and you'll be well-served with it. These links may or may not be helpful. To my surprise they were the only ones I could find at SG and Ammotogo, and they are usually my go-to. 240-grain Speer Gold Dot .44 Magnum http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...m-hollow-point 250-grain Winchester Platinum Tip .44 Magnum http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...m-hollow-point __________________ 16 Pistols, 5 Rifles, 1 Shotgun, no time to shoot them

November 2, 2012, 08:37 AM	#9
EdInk Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3,968	On a side note, IIRC one of the designers of the Black Talon later went to work for Remington and helped to develop the Golden Saber. Which is another good cartridge. Moreover, a lot of the hype for the Black Talon was created by the media. It was a good design but IMHO there are better things available now even to the general public. __________________ Sic Semper Tyrannis

November 1, 2012, 09:40 PM	#2
Super Sneaky Steve Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,249	Look for Winchester Ranger T ammo. It's expensive, not really worth it if you ask me, but it's the same thing as the tallons.

November 1, 2012, 11:28 PM	#4
rmocarsky Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Posts: 406	Is the Ranger SXT for law enforcement only? If it is, (which I am not LE), does Winchester make a civilian version of 250 gr. .44 Mag similar to SXT? Rmocarsky

November 2, 2012, 12:42 AM	#6
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Ranger T and Ranger SXT are NOT the same. Bullet construction is different. The T is better, IMO. (Edit: based on the lower prices one usually finds on SXT, I think others may share my opinion.)

November 2, 2012, 08:34 AM	#8
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	Winchester does not make the Ranger Line in revolver calibers larger than .38 Special. The Platinum Tip that Locked Breech referenced, however, is based upon the old Black Talon design and is about as close as you're going to get to a modern-day BT in .44 Magnum.

November 2, 2012, 11:42 PM	#10
Redhawk5.5+P+ Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2012 Location: NV Posts: 743	To which do you want this magic bullet in a 44magnum anyway?

November 2, 2012, 11:59 PM	#11
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Which current Winchester 44 Magnum round most closely compares to the discontinued 250 Gr Partition Gold round? __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

November 3, 2012, 05:19 PM	#12
Ben Towe Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2009 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 1,128	The legend of Black Talon is due solely to media hype. According them it would shoot through 12 cops, two Abrams tanks and an APC and kill a cute puppy two counties over... In the real world it was a good bullet design but there are ones just as good and even better today, so I would not limit myself to a bullet simply because of it's Black Talon heritage. __________________ 'Merica: Back to back World War Champs

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