Gun Related Scavenger Hunt

ClayInTx · March 4, 2010, 10:17 PM

This concerns concealed carry so it should fit in Tactics & Training (I hope).

I was perusing some recent magazines before putting these onto the archive shelves. I keep National Geographic, Scientific American, and Smithsonian Magazine until I run out of room (Doesn’t everyone?), at which time I move to larger quarters; well, not really.

In the October, 2009, Smithsonian Magazine I saw something which most persons will miss. The article Teaching Cops to See which begins on page 48 concerns training LEOs in spotting things normally missed. What is ironic is that this is about LEOs and it’s in New York City.

If you have, or can get, a copy this should be interesting. There is no need to read the text, although it’s permissible. Just look at the pictures.

If you don’t subscribe to Smithsonian Magazine your library should have a copy.

What do you discover? Now this will have to be on the honor system. Try to find it before coming back here to see what someone else might have spotted.

Put on your deer-stalker cap and do your best Sherlock Holmes imitation.

There is a clue here in this post to what I spotted. It’s elementary.

Edit: I checked copyright law and it's ok to copy for purpose of study or training if not for profit so I'm trying to get a good scan so y'all don't have to rustle up a magazine.
Re-Edit: I have a scan but can't get the pic attached.

Composer_1777 · March 5, 2010, 12:11 AM

Send me a message i can probably convert it to JPG and host it to post on the forum.

Let me know. Cause i really wanna see this!

Buzzcook · March 5, 2010, 12:58 AM

Sargent's Madame X, doesn't have that green tinge in the pic that it does in person.
The pick pocket is too obvious.
Could it be that none of the cops pictured appear to be armed?

ClayInTx · March 5, 2010, 01:29 AM

Composer is helping me. Perhaps we (or he) can get it posted. the picture on the site isn't the one to look at.

Composer_1777 · March 5, 2010, 01:47 AM

ClayInTx · March 5, 2010, 01:51 AM

Composer,
Many thanks guy

Now this guy is a Lieutenant for the NYPD. He’s undercover. No one is supposed to know he’s a cop.

But, what do you see?

Composer_1777 · March 5, 2010, 02:07 AM

All i see is his pant leg looking weird, am i suppose to assume that is a long gun?

ClayInTx · March 5, 2010, 02:20 AM

Okay, now that the photo is available, no need to be a big secret.

Notice that his shirt tail is out. One indication of concealed carry.
Next, the shirt is “hiked” up where his gun is at 2 O’clock. You can even make out the outline of the grip.
He seems to also have a BUG in his left front pocket.

Note: The pants are pretty much a blur here and are the same in the magazine photo, too.

Edit added comment:
I suppose being a cop it's no big deal being "made" but I'll bet every crook on the street spots him a block away.

Glenn Dee · March 5, 2010, 02:29 AM

I dont see it...lol

Clay · March 5, 2010, 07:53 AM

And here I thought he might have just been "happy" that morning.

w_houle · March 5, 2010, 09:56 AM

He has his right arm parallel to the ground, most likely slightly resting his elbow against his ccw piece. I would guess it better for him to carry an actual ccw piece rather than do what it appears he's trying to to which is trying to concealed carry his service piece.

ClayInTx · March 5, 2010, 01:17 PM

I posted this in order to point out a mistake we who CC sometimes make, even those who are normally proficient in doing so. It is not meant to cop bash because it’s likely the he had his attention directed more at posing for the picture than paying attention to his concealment; I’ll cut him some slack on this.

But this is the kind of thing which we who CC should be aware of. It’s easy to make this mistake. I tend to see if I can spot others who are CCing and many times I do.

A non-CC person will probably never notice this but CCs and BGs will likely quickly spot it, the BGs probably quicker than the legal CCs.

If a cop spots it he might ignore it or mention to you that your CC isn’t CC. If a BG spots it you have lost the element of surprise.

bababooey32 · March 5, 2010, 04:29 PM

Quote:

If a BG spots it you have lost the element of surprise.

People keep bringing this up...Why do I need the element of surprise? The element of surprise is an offensive concept, not defensive.

In any case, I'm not sure he's carrying at 2 o'clock. Like w_houle, I see more of a 3'oclock carry, with a typical LEO arm position over his grip. Guess it might not be so obvious after all.

March 4, 2010, 10:17 PM	#1
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	Gun Related Scavenger Hunt This concerns concealed carry so it should fit in Tactics & Training (I hope). I was perusing some recent magazines before putting these onto the archive shelves. I keep National Geographic, Scientific American, and Smithsonian Magazine until I run out of room (Doesn’t everyone?), at which time I move to larger quarters; well, not really. In the October, 2009, Smithsonian Magazine I saw something which most persons will miss. The article Teaching Cops to See which begins on page 48 concerns training LEOs in spotting things normally missed. What is ironic is that this is about LEOs and it’s in New York City. If you have, or can get, a copy this should be interesting. There is no need to read the text, although it’s permissible. Just look at the pictures. If you don’t subscribe to Smithsonian Magazine your library should have a copy. What do you discover? Now this will have to be on the honor system. Try to find it before coming back here to see what someone else might have spotted. Put on your deer-stalker cap and do your best Sherlock Holmes imitation. There is a clue here in this post to what I spotted. It’s elementary. Edit: I checked copyright law and it's ok to copy for purpose of study or training if not for profit so I'm trying to get a good scan so y'all don't have to rustle up a magazine. Re-Edit: I have a scan but can't get the pic attached. Last edited by ClayInTx; March 4, 2010 at 11:56 PM.

March 5, 2010, 01:47 AM	#5
Composer_1777 Junior member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: New Orleans, La Posts: 242	Here is the Image

March 5, 2010, 09:56 AM	#11
w_houle Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,391	He has his right arm parallel to the ground, most likely slightly resting his elbow against his ccw piece. I would guess it better for him to carry an actual ccw piece rather than do what it appears he's trying to to which is trying to concealed carry his service piece. __________________ How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished?

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March 5, 2010, 12:11 AM	#2
Composer_1777 Junior member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: New Orleans, La Posts: 242	Send me a message i can probably convert it to JPG and host it to post on the forum. Let me know. Cause i really wanna see this!

March 5, 2010, 12:58 AM	#3
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	Sargent's Madame X, doesn't have that green tinge in the pic that it does in person. The pick pocket is too obvious. Could it be that none of the cops pictured appear to be armed?

March 5, 2010, 01:29 AM	#4
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	Composer is helping me. Perhaps we (or he) can get it posted. the picture on the site isn't the one to look at.

March 5, 2010, 01:51 AM	#6
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	Composer, Many thanks guy Now this guy is a Lieutenant for the NYPD. He’s undercover. No one is supposed to know he’s a cop. But, what do you see?

March 5, 2010, 02:07 AM	#7
Composer_1777 Junior member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: New Orleans, La Posts: 242	All i see is his pant leg looking weird, am i suppose to assume that is a long gun?

March 5, 2010, 02:20 AM	#8
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	Okay, now that the photo is available, no need to be a big secret. Notice that his shirt tail is out. One indication of concealed carry. Next, the shirt is “hiked” up where his gun is at 2 O’clock. You can even make out the outline of the grip. He seems to also have a BUG in his left front pocket. Note: The pants are pretty much a blur here and are the same in the magazine photo, too. Edit added comment: I suppose being a cop it's no big deal being "made" but I'll bet every crook on the street spots him a block away.

March 5, 2010, 02:29 AM	#9
Glenn Dee Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,560	I dont see it...lol

March 5, 2010, 07:53 AM	#10
Clay Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2009 Posts: 166	And here I thought he might have just been "happy" that morning.

March 5, 2010, 01:17 PM	#12
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	I posted this in order to point out a mistake we who CC sometimes make, even those who are normally proficient in doing so. It is not meant to cop bash because it’s likely the he had his attention directed more at posing for the picture than paying attention to his concealment; I’ll cut him some slack on this. But this is the kind of thing which we who CC should be aware of. It’s easy to make this mistake. I tend to see if I can spot others who are CCing and many times I do. A non-CC person will probably never notice this but CCs and BGs will likely quickly spot it, the BGs probably quicker than the legal CCs. If a cop spots it he might ignore it or mention to you that your CC isn’t CC. If a BG spots it you have lost the element of surprise.