Tokarev convert 7.62x25 to 9mm

[cougar gt-e]

Hi,

Have a tok and shoot it well, but was wondering what was needed to be able to shoot 9mm from it?

It looks like just a 9mm barrel, magazine and a mag well spacer. All available from Numrich at reasonable prices.

$36 for a new 9mm barrel with link and pin
$7 for the spacer
$23 for the magazine


Yes / No ?

[Xfire68]

It looks like you answered your own question but, you would get one great thing out of the convert though? Cheaper ammo!

[cougar gt-e]

What I want to know is am I correct with that list or is there additional things needed.

The ammo isn't cheaper. 7.62x25 is running about 8-9 cents a round for FMJ mil surp.


I just want to have more options open, especially for SD rounds in a nice tight package that the TOK represents.

[gyvel]

You don't necessarily need the spacer and shorter 9mm mag. I've done a couple of mine just fooling around and it seems that the 9mm rounds fed just fine out of the longer 7.62 mags with no problems. YMMV.

[raftman]

I thought you needed a new barrel bushing too.

...I dunno that for sure, I left my Tok as 7.62x25.

[James K]

The Germans converted thousands of them with nothing but a new barrel, and sometimes they just re-bored and re-rifled the old one.

Jim

[raftman]

I thought the Germans just relied on the fact that the 7.63 Mauser round was nearly identical to 7.62 Tokarev dimensionally.

[cougar gt-e]

Good. It sounds like those parts will be able to make a 7.62 into a 9mm.
Thanks for the info~!

All were in stock and have been ordered. Nothing to do now but wait ....

[EddieDaGreat]

I think the tok is better left alone... its one of the fastest round available in hand gun and cheap plus accurate also....`

[mapsjanhere]

The German army during WWII wasn't using the 7.63 Mauser cartridge anymore. The Mauser C96 was declared an illegal submachine gun by the Versailles treaty, and not many remained in Germany.

[steelman762]

I replaced the barrel on one of my Tok`s to 9mm a couple years ago. You only need the barrel. The mag is ok. I did have some feed problems but this was due to the ammo. It seemed to like the winchester 115gr no problem. I have problems with the remington, S&B and Blazer brands. I think it also has to do with the heavy recoil spring. It works great with the Winchester brand. The ammo Walmart seems to carry. I paid twice as much for the barrel. I think the one your looking to buy is a great deal.

[ohen cepel]

I think there are much better SD options than a converted Tok.

It's a great pistol, don't get me wrong, but I would worry to much about the conversion reliability for me to bet my life on it. For SD you would also want more than one mag.

I think your money would be better spent on a CZ82 (or other inexpensive pistol of your choice) than the conversion set up.

[noelf2]

I think there are much better SD options than a converted Tok.

I think you're the first one to bring up SD here. Don't think that's what the op is looking for.

I just purchased a barrel after reading this. I think it's a good price too and worth a try. I have a Romanian Tok, and will probably need a different barrel bushing. If I have to, I'll get another bushing and "make it fit". Should be a fun project.

[cougar gt-e]

I think there are much better SD options than a converted Tok.

It's a great pistol, don't get me wrong, but I would worry to much about the conversion reliability for me to bet my life on it. For SD you would also want more than one mag.

I think your money would be better spent on a CZ82 (or other inexpensive pistol of your choice) than the conversion set up.

Yeah, I have other pistols in larger calibers that may be better for SD. But as I can't carry in this state (Taxconsin) it's a theoretical point anyhow. (WI only allows open carry, but you can't carry in an automobile,--must be unloaded, in a container in the trunk. Can't carry within a billion miles of a school, etc etc etc. Police aren't supposed to, but they will hassle any and all OC's they notice. The only way you can "bear arms" is by walking, riding a horse, bicycle, roller skates, etc. Can't touch a weapon if you in, on or near a motorized vehicle. All sorts of rules made to keep the streets safe for criminals to ply their trade.

As I understand it, the parts I listed are the parts 9mm toks were fitted with from the factory. Should be reliable, will fire off several hundred rounds and see for myself. And I have ordered 2 mags for 9mm (already have many for the 7.62x25). It's not about "inexpensive" it's about doing it myself, gaining maximum flexibility and increased understanding of the operation of the equipment.

[TX Hunter]

I think this is a Cool Idea,
I would like to have the Conversion Kit for mine, for just in case, the 7.62x25 ammo ever becomes hard to find.
The 9MM is very common, and should be around for a long time.
The Tokerev pistol is alot of fun, and so versitile.

[cougar gt-e]

I think this is a Cool Idea,
I would like to have the Conversion Kit for mine, for just in case, the 7.62x25 ammo ever becomes hard to find.
The 9MM is very common, and should be around for a long time.
The Tokerev pistol is alot of fun, and so versitile.

Especially if it works..


At Numrich gunparts corp with your C&R discount the parts are;

595100A 9mm barrel New in the white with pin and link $35.75
717910A 9mm magazine well spacer - pin attached $6.70
576400C Magazine, 9mm, 8 Round, Blue 2 x $23.10 $46.20

Total $88.65 plus shipping

Use the discount code "HEATWAVE" today 7/7/10 and get 4 bucks off shipping.

Enough of a conversion kit for ya?

[James K]

Hi, mapsjanhere,

I hadn't heard that about the C96 being a submachinegun. The German military had at least some old C96 "Red 9" pistols in WWII, as they were a desireable (if uncommon) souvenir. But the German military never used the 7.63 Mauser cartridge at any time, and it was not in their supply system. That is why they converted Tokarevs.

Jim

[gyvel]

Looks like Gun Parts is out of barrels.

[noelf2]

Didn't think they'd last long at that price.

UPDATE: I went to numrich and they still have the 9mm barrel in stock. Might be the 7.62 barrel that's out of stock.

[cougar gt-e]

FYI -

I read that the 9mm and 7.62 might need different bushings. Found them at SARCO (www.e-sarcoinc.com) in stock for $16.50 each. Same price as the 7.62x25 bushing which is also in stock. I ordered one in 9mm so I could fit the barrel and the bushing for max accuracy. Call and ask for part number TOKP037. Also got a fresh recoil spring part number TOKP026.

They also have magazines, barrels, barrel links and pins in stock should you need them. Prices are slightly higher than numrich, but not bad just a couple bucks more per item.


I'm getting sort of excited to get the parts and start fiddling!


Again, I would CALL THEM. 908-647-3800 and ask for the parts. The web store front search feature draws a large negative pressure differential rectally.

[doofus47]

Cool idea. Let us know if you see any unexpected uh-ohs when you make the swap.
I like my 7.62x25 tok, but it would be nice to have more choices in ammo selection. I keep ending up with these metal boxes in my garage....

[mapsjanhere]

Jim, I agree, my comment was aimed at raftman.
The prohibition included the issuing of any long barreled pistols, including the 6" Navy and 8" Artillery versions of the 08, which were often shortened for reuse.

[gyvel]

UPDATE: I went to numrich and they still have the 9mm barrel in stock. Might be the 7.62 barrel that's out of stock.

When I looked, all I could find was part#1096080, 9mm used barrels in fair condition, and they were listed as sold out. Maybe listed somewhere else?

OK. Never mind. I see they have barrels listed for the TU90, although I don't know what the difference is between that model and the regular Type 54 or 213 model other than the Tokagypt style grips.

[cougar gt-e]

From what I could gather the difference in the original TT1930 to the newer TT1933 barrel was machining the locking lugs all the way around. The replacement barrels shown have the lugs going all the way around, so it should fit. (fingers crossed as it shipped yesterday!)

[pelaeon]

Who considers 9mm cheaper than Tok?

I guess it is if you buy off the shelf, but milsurp ammo is ~10 cents a rnd.