The calls for more gun control are already starting

jimpeel · July 21, 2012, 02:19 AM

Piers Morgan, Mayor Bloomberg, and Salman Rushdie are already calling for more gun control due to last night's shooting.

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CNN’s Piers Morgan reacts to theater shooting: ‘America has got to do something about its gun laws’
July 20, 2012

CNN anchor Piers Morgan called for the United States to change its gun laws, in reaction to the horrific news of the Colorado theater shooting.

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Michael Bloomberg: After Colorado shooting, soothing words not enough

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, one of the nation’s highest-profile supporters of gun control, said Friday that “soothing words are nice ” but demanded that the presidential candidates “stand up and tell us what they’re going to do about” preventing mass shootings.

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July 20, 2012, 4:30 PM ET

Salman Rushdie Sparks Furor With Colorado Shooting Tweets

In the wake of last night’s shooting rampage in Colorado at a screening of “The Dark Knight Rises” that killed at least 12 people and injured 59 others, author Salman Rushdie tweeted this morning, “The ‘right to bear arms’ is the real Bane of America.”

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1911Alaska · July 21, 2012, 05:10 AM

All depends on how you want to look at it

thallub · July 21, 2012, 07:03 AM

The call for more restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights never stopped. Every year a dozen or two draconian gun control bills are introduced in the US congress: They never go anywhere.

Scurrilious anti-gun political hacks and their supporters will take advantage of any shooting incident to drum up support for gun control.

JimPage · July 21, 2012, 07:40 AM

thalub: They never go anywhere? You must be a youngster who is not well read. Where do you think all the restrictions on the 2a came from? Take a look at GCA 1968 that stemmed from the Kennedy assassination.

BGutzman · July 21, 2012, 08:48 AM

It is odd how they never publicly ask how this might have gone had a concealed weapon carrier or two had been there... It might be that they were in the right place at the right time or not...

The bottom line for me is it might have changed the outcome in a positive way.

wildboarZ · July 21, 2012, 08:58 AM

Take note that two of the quotes come from foreigners and the other from a mayor of a city that closely resembles a foreign country when compared to the rest of the United States.

Do not give them any credence. Utopia only exists in their small minds.

Don H · July 21, 2012, 09:35 AM

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It is odd how they never publicly ask how this might have gone had a concealed weapon carrier or two had been there...

Do we know for a fact that there weren't any there? A "No guns" sign at the theater entrance in Colorado has no force of law. It may well be that there were multiple legally armed people there but they had no clear shot at the gunman (if they even knew where he was located) in the confusion and jostling of people trying to escape.

RaySendero · July 21, 2012, 10:00 AM

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Don H asked:

Do we know for a fact that there weren't any there? A "No guns" sign at the theater entrance in Colorado has no force of law. .....

Well, NO... because the media seems to refuse to go there! That's was the point I got from BGutzman post. Good observation BG!

Guess a "NO guns" sign at the front entrance would not have been a deterrence anyway.
They would have had to post that "No Guns" sign at the emergency exit the shooter used to leave and then return to be for it to really be effective!

jimpeel · July 21, 2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wildboarZ

Take note that two of the quotes come from foreigners and the other from a mayor of a city that closely resembles a foreign country when compared to the rest of the United States.

A valid observation; but that does not take away from their influence on the public and legislators.

jimpeel · July 21, 2012, 10:17 AM

Even had there bees a CCW holder there, the crush of people, those in the line of fire between the perp and the CCW holder, as well as the lack of vision due to the noxious substance he used would all be factors which would preclude a structured defense.

Brian Pfleuger · July 21, 2012, 10:19 AM

Just a reminder....

This is a discussion of the potential civil rights and legal ramifications of this horrible event. It is NOT a discussion of tactics.

In other words, it is NOT a discussion of the incident itself.

thallub · July 21, 2012, 10:42 AM

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They never go anywhere? You must be a youngster who is not well read. Where do you think all the restrictions on the 2a came from? Take a look at GCA 1968 that stemmed from the Kennedy assassination.

Wrong!! i'm a 50 year+ NRA member who has fought gun control since before 1968. The GCA 1968 happened because of the murders of president Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and ML King as well as numerous other factors.

"They never go anywhere" was a reference to recent congressional history.

Master Blaster 2 · July 21, 2012, 10:50 AM

Ebert: Gun-Free Theater Proves Concealed Carry Doesn’t Work
http://exchangegoldforcash.com/money...y-doesnt-work/

BarryLee · July 21, 2012, 10:55 AM

Most likely no one incident will spur a swift and sudden roll back of Second Amendment rights. However, this does provide an opportunity for the anti-gin crowd to chip away at public opinion which seems to currently support the 2A.

I am not sure if there is an organized effort, but I have noticed a lot of focus on the magazine capacities, internet sales and the volume of ammo purchased. My concern is that even people who support the 2A may not see restrictions in these areas as a problem.

Also, recently we have seen the white House utilizing Executive Orders to implement policies that the Congress would not. So, could we see Executive Orders restricting magazine capacity, on-line sales or the quantity of ammo you could purchase? They could implement these restrictions while simultaneously arguing that they support the Second Amendment.

wildboarZ · July 21, 2012, 11:05 AM

Agreed Barry. "Ammo purchase from the INTERNET" x 50 was stressed in every news report here in Denver yesterday when they broadcasted the entire day.

jimpeel · July 21, 2012, 11:13 AM

Are they saying this guy bought ammo over the Internet?

How would they know; and so soon?

BarryLee · July 21, 2012, 11:19 AM

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Are they saying this guy bought ammo over the Internet?

How would they know; and so soon?

Credit card records

thallub · July 21, 2012, 11:32 AM

The newsies are saying Holmes bought 6,000 rounds of ammo on the internet in the past 60 days. Four guns, a few thousand rounds of ammo, some magazines and some unrelated junk makes an "arsenal" in the eyes of the newsies.

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Movie theater gunman had been stockpiling arsenal

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...232932177.html

Incidents like this one may gradually erode support for our Second Amendment rights.

ScottRiqui · July 21, 2012, 11:42 AM

"Arsenal", much like "assault rifle" has a very fluid definition in the media. And it's not just the media, either - to someone who either doesn't own guns, or at most has a loaded revolver in the nightstand, four firearms and six thousand rounds of ammunition might seem like an unrealistic quantity for anything other than a murderous rampage or a paranoid's apocalypse preparation.

Of course, those of us who shoot recreationally know better - six thousand rounds could mean anything from "I bought a year's worth to save on shipping charges" to "it was a slow month".

**44 AMP** · July 21, 2012, 12:16 PM

Even worse, the media morons don't even know that an "arsenal" is where military guns (including artillery) are manufactured.

Armories/arms rooms are where they are stored during service, and ammo is kept in seperate supply "dumps". Bigger guns are stored in "parks".

The correct information is out there, they just choose not to use it.

Expect to see at least one more mass shooting incident before the next election. I won't claim any kind of conspiracy theory, but it just seems to happen that way, ALL the time. Maybe its some kind of lunar cycle, or something, I don't know.

What I do know is that the only period of time without some kind of sensational shooting incident being fairly fresh in the news was the same period of time that spawned Fast & Furious.....or so it seems. I could be (and probably am wrong) but it seems like if there isn't a recent incident they can use to beat the drum for gun control, they will try to create one.

We are living in very, very stressful times. The instance of people cracking and doing violent things is high. Reasons range from mental breakdowns to just simply because they want to do evil,knowing they will become famous by doing so.

If he had blocked the exits and burned down the theater, I doubt the usual suspects would be calling for stopping or restricting the sale of gasoline, or matches.

Patriot86 · July 21, 2012, 12:22 PM

I think everyone needs to keep their britches from getting in a bunch.

Give it a week, if in a week this is still the #1 story akin to 9/11, when JFK was shot, etc then expect that there will be a major gun control push.

If, just like after the Gabby Giffords shooting this story is on page 10 next Saturday then I expect this will just fade into history; a talking point for only the likes of the Brady bunch to pull out when they feel like saber rattling.

RaySendero · July 21, 2012, 12:38 PM

Seems it was a "GUN FREE ZONE".

Dan Myers of Cinermark’s corporate office said that; "Cinemark’s official policy is that ONLY law enforcement officers CAN CARRY INTO THEIR THEATERS."

johnbt · July 21, 2012, 12:53 PM

Fwiw, Gander and Bass Pro have said they sold the 4 guns legally in May. The $300 in Blackhawk gear came from a police supply company in MO iirc.

Brian Pfleuger · July 21, 2012, 12:54 PM

Gun control gentlemen. Not the incident itself. Gun control.

Botswana · July 21, 2012, 07:33 PM

I love how within minutes the grandstanding about gun control began.

However, not that we shouldn't remain vigilant, but the whole gun control issue is a political non-starter. This is not the first time politicians have grandstanded trying to shore up public support, but it just never manages to materialize.

A LOT of people are going to be talking about "Gun Free Zones" yet again. That's a good thing. We've either got to quit advertising the easiest places to victimize large numbers of people or businesses that insist on having gun free zones need to start providing some security. I'm still waiting for the inevitable lawsuit.

Politicians who have run on gun control quickly find themselves without support. They'll talk up "reasonable" measures but as long as voters continue to punish them the talk will go nowhere.

Be aware that gun control advocates are VERY VOCAL. Do not let them cow us into silence. I am surprised to find how many people in my office are gun owners and 2nd Amendment supporters. Especially among people I thought would be fairly liberal. There are far more people who believe in the preservation of the 2nd Amendment then there are trying to take it away.

I think in the end, politicizing tragedies does not get gun control advocates the results they want.

July 21, 2012, 07:40 AM	#4
JimPage Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2010 Location: Rome, NY Posts: 941	thalub: They never go anywhere? You must be a youngster who is not well read. Where do you think all the restrictions on the 2a came from? Take a look at GCA 1968 that stemmed from the Kennedy assassination. __________________ Jim Page Cogito, ergo armatum sum

July 21, 2012, 08:48 AM	#5
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,414	It is odd how they never publicly ask how this might have gone had a concealed weapon carrier or two had been there... It might be that they were in the right place at the right time or not... The bottom line for me is it might have changed the outcome in a positive way. __________________ Molon Labe

July 21, 2012, 10:17 AM	#10
jimpeel Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: Longmont, CO, USA Posts: 4,530	Even had there bees a CCW holder there, the crush of people, those in the line of fire between the perp and the CCW holder, as well as the lack of vision due to the noxious substance he used would all be factors which would preclude a structured defense. __________________ Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey

July 21, 2012, 10:19 AM	#11
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Just a reminder.... This is a discussion of the potential civil rights and legal ramifications of this horrible event. It is NOT a discussion of tactics. In other words, it is NOT a discussion of the incident itself. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

July 21, 2012, 10:55 AM	#14
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	Most likely no one incident will spur a swift and sudden roll back of Second Amendment rights. However, this does provide an opportunity for the anti-gin crowd to chip away at public opinion which seems to currently support the 2A. I am not sure if there is an organized effort, but I have noticed a lot of focus on the magazine capacities, internet sales and the volume of ammo purchased. My concern is that even people who support the 2A may not see restrictions in these areas as a problem. Also, recently we have seen the white House utilizing Executive Orders to implement policies that the Congress would not. So, could we see Executive Orders restricting magazine capacity, on-line sales or the quantity of ammo you could purchase? They could implement these restrictions while simultaneously arguing that they support the Second Amendment. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

July 21, 2012, 07:03 AM	#3
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	The call for more restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights never stopped. Every year a dozen or two draconian gun control bills are introduced in the US congress: They never go anywhere. Scurrilious anti-gun political hacks and their supporters will take advantage of any shooting incident to drum up support for gun control.

July 21, 2012, 08:58 AM	#6
wildboarZ Member Join Date: August 25, 2000 Posts: 61	Take note that two of the quotes come from foreigners and the other from a mayor of a city that closely resembles a foreign country when compared to the rest of the United States. Do not give them any credence. Utopia only exists in their small minds.

July 21, 2012, 10:50 AM	#13
Master Blaster 2 Junior member Join Date: May 29, 2011 Posts: 895	Ebert: Gun-Free Theater Proves Concealed Carry Doesn’t Work http://exchangegoldforcash.com/money...y-doesnt-work/

July 21, 2012, 11:05 AM	#15
wildboarZ Member Join Date: August 25, 2000 Posts: 61	Agreed Barry. "Ammo purchase from the INTERNET" x 50 was stressed in every news report here in Denver yesterday when they broadcasted the entire day.

July 21, 2012, 11:13 AM	#16
jimpeel Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 1999 Location: Longmont, CO, USA Posts: 4,530	Are they saying this guy bought ammo over the Internet? How would they know; and so soon? __________________ Gun Control: The premise that a woman found in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is morally superior to allowing that same woman to defend her life with a firearm. "Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones. But a collection of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house." - Jules Henri Poincare "Three thousand people died on Sept. 11 because eight pilots were killed" -- former Northwest Airlines pilot Stephen Luckey

July 21, 2012, 11:42 AM	#19
ScottRiqui Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 2,905	"Arsenal", much like "assault rifle" has a very fluid definition in the media. And it's not just the media, either - to someone who either doesn't own guns, or at most has a loaded revolver in the nightstand, four firearms and six thousand rounds of ammunition might seem like an unrealistic quantity for anything other than a murderous rampage or a paranoid's apocalypse preparation. Of course, those of us who shoot recreationally know better - six thousand rounds could mean anything from "I bought a year's worth to save on shipping charges" to "it was a slow month".

July 21, 2012, 12:16 PM	#20
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,832	Even worse, the media morons don't even know that an "arsenal" is where military guns (including artillery) are manufactured. Armories/arms rooms are where they are stored during service, and ammo is kept in seperate supply "dumps". Bigger guns are stored in "parks". The correct information is out there, they just choose not to use it. Expect to see at least one more mass shooting incident before the next election. I won't claim any kind of conspiracy theory, but it just seems to happen that way, ALL the time. Maybe its some kind of lunar cycle, or something, I don't know. What I do know is that the only period of time without some kind of sensational shooting incident being fairly fresh in the news was the same period of time that spawned Fast & Furious.....or so it seems. I could be (and probably am wrong) but it seems like if there isn't a recent incident they can use to beat the drum for gun control, they will try to create one. We are living in very, very stressful times. The instance of people cracking and doing violent things is high. Reasons range from mental breakdowns to just simply because they want to do evil,knowing they will become famous by doing so. If he had blocked the exits and burned down the theater, I doubt the usual suspects would be calling for stopping or restricting the sale of gasoline, or matches. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

July 21, 2012, 12:22 PM	#21
Patriot86 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2010 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,293	I think everyone needs to keep their britches from getting in a bunch. Give it a week, if in a week this is still the #1 story akin to 9/11, when JFK was shot, etc then expect that there will be a major gun control push. If, just like after the Gabby Giffords shooting this story is on page 10 next Saturday then I expect this will just fade into history; a talking point for only the likes of the Brady bunch to pull out when they feel like saber rattling.

July 21, 2012, 12:38 PM	#22
RaySendero Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2010 Location: US South Posts: 857	Seems it was a "GUN FREE ZONE". Dan Myers of Cinermark’s corporate office said that; "Cinemark’s official policy is that ONLY law enforcement officers CAN CARRY INTO THEIR THEATERS."

July 21, 2012, 12:53 PM	#23
johnbt Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 1999 Location: Richmond, Virginia USA Posts: 6,004	Fwiw, Gander and Bass Pro have said they sold the 4 guns legally in May. The $300 in Blackhawk gear came from a police supply company in MO iirc.

July 21, 2012, 12:54 PM	#24
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Gun control gentlemen. Not the incident itself. Gun control. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

July 21, 2012, 07:33 PM	#25
Botswana Senior Member Join Date: July 4, 2012 Posts: 203	I love how within minutes the grandstanding about gun control began. However, not that we shouldn't remain vigilant, but the whole gun control issue is a political non-starter. This is not the first time politicians have grandstanded trying to shore up public support, but it just never manages to materialize. A LOT of people are going to be talking about "Gun Free Zones" yet again. That's a good thing. We've either got to quit advertising the easiest places to victimize large numbers of people or businesses that insist on having gun free zones need to start providing some security. I'm still waiting for the inevitable lawsuit. Politicians who have run on gun control quickly find themselves without support. They'll talk up "reasonable" measures but as long as voters continue to punish them the talk will go nowhere. Be aware that gun control advocates are VERY VOCAL. Do not let them cow us into silence. I am surprised to find how many people in my office are gun owners and 2nd Amendment supporters. Especially among people I thought would be fairly liberal. There are far more people who believe in the preservation of the 2nd Amendment then there are trying to take it away. I think in the end, politicizing tragedies does not get gun control advocates the results they want.