What Handgun Training Have You Taken ? - Page 2

444 · May 28, 2004, 09:03 PM

Denny:
Please post a review of Advanced Tactical Problems, Carbine. I intended to take that this year but I don't know if I am going to be able to swing it. I have been talking about buying a new house for years now and I have finally decided that now is the time. So, money is an issue. But, I would like to hear about it anyway.

dev_null · May 29, 2004, 09:03 PM

I see that a number of people have taken the Gunsite 250. Can someone give a rough idea of their total expense including tuition, supplies, hotel, meals and travel if you flew?

TIA,

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Phil306 · May 29, 2004, 11:53 PM

Dev Null,

Go to http://www.gunsite.com

Look up the course there. I believe tuition, now is $1200 bucks or so. I stay at the Hampton Inn in Prescott. It costs about $450.00 for the week. I'm sure there is cheaper.

Food is food is food. I bring a cooler and get lunch in the morning, enroute to the range at the Safeway in Chino Valley. I'm not a big breakfast eater, so I really don't worry about it. If I'm hungry, I get something at the Safeway. Pleny of places for dinner in Prescott and Precott Valley.

I can't comment on airfare, because I drive. However, I believe shipping ammo there would be cheaper then purchasing it from there; although not as easy.

Having said all that, if you can go. Its a good course. Also, since your in VA, if you haven't, look into Blackwater Lodge. I've been to both of their pistol courses; excellent training and facility. Would cost you less too.

http://www.blackwaterusa.com

Phil

ShaiVong · May 31, 2004, 10:07 PM

Took basic practical to get my CCW; been on a waiting list for two years now for home defense and outside the home defense.

ajp3jeh · June 1, 2004, 11:52 PM

Gunsite
250C

Thunder Ranch
Handgun 1
Handgun 2
Handgun 3 (November 2004)

Front Sight
Four Day Defensive Handgun
Two Day Tactical Handgun

Randy Cain
Tactical Handgun 101

Jeff Gonzales
Combative Pistol 1

Tom Givens/Rangemaster
TN CCW Instructor

Jim Higginbotham/Rangemaster
One Day Dynamic Marksmanship

Jim Crews
Two Day Handgun Tutorial

Maricopa Tactical
Combative Pistol

EricO · June 2, 2004, 07:22 AM

Walt Marshall - AWT
Handgun
Team Tactics
Shotgun

Don Lazzerini - RTT
Handgun

NRA
Handgun instructor

EricO

Bruce 45/70 · June 2, 2004, 11:35 PM

Frontsight: Four Day Defensive Handgun
Two day handgun skillbuilder
Two day advanced tactical handgun
Four day handgun master prep
All of these numerous times.

45acp2go · June 5, 2004, 03:08 PM

Tactical Defense Institute www.tdiohio.com in West Union, OH. Level I - V Handgun and Conceal Carry. Midwest Training Group Bloomington, IL. www.midwesttraininggroup.net Advanced Tactical Handgun w/ Ken Hackathorn.

All of these courses have more than exceeded training that I received as a Deputy Sheriff at a large SO in Ohio. More training than I should ever need but on the other hand it is my primary hobby and I plan on taking more courses.

These courses are all 2 day courses usually on Saturday and Sunday. You will shoot between 600 to 1000 rounds in the 2 days. Hackathorn's Advanced Tactical Handgun course we shot until 11:00pm on Saturday night with about 3 hours of night shooting using flashlight and night shooting tecniques and level V at TDI also included night shooting, force on force house, jungle lane and live fire house shooting.

RobertEsq1 · June 7, 2004, 07:33 AM

NYPD: Basic training and annual qualification
US Secret Service course FLETC Glynco Ga
Tactical Entry Yonkers
NYPD Advanced Tactics/Survival (the fun house)

matthew temkin · June 8, 2004, 05:27 AM

Robert..
I have a small group of LEO friends here in NYC, and we shoot quite often.
We mainly practice close range point shooting, but include many other shooting skills as well.
If you want to hook up, contact me at [email protected]

VaughnT · June 17, 2004, 04:57 AM

I can see that I really, really need to get some more training in if my list is to be as impressive as some of these here!

Some guys have all the luck.

Jeff Gonzales · June 17, 2004, 08:56 AM

V,

While it is impresive the discipline that many folks display here by continuing their education, don't be too impressed with the list. Be impressed with how well their training has impacted their skill level. Just because you attend a school from anyone dosen't mean you automatically absorb their knowledge.

The biggest mistake I see in this industry is folks who fail to continue to practice between the elected training sessions they attend. It goes without saying that if you fail to practice, your skills will decline and degrade.

Train hard, victory is the only option.

Later,

VaughnT · June 17, 2004, 07:13 PM

Mr. Gonzales, you are entirely too right. And I'm guilty of just that offense, though I know better.

Thanks for the reminder; I'll look forward to undergoing some of your training just as soon as possible.

Jeff Gonzales · June 17, 2004, 07:16 PM

V...

No worries, but please call me Jeff. When somebody says "Mr. Gonzales" I look for my dad. Look forward to training with you down the road. Take care and stay safe.

Later,

444 · June 17, 2004, 08:25 PM

I found that weeks after I take a class, I am out shooting and some concept taught in the class suddenly hits me like a bolt of lightning. If I hadn't been practicing, I would have never punched in on what they were talking about.

Jeff was one of the instructors of my Gunsite 223 class. I have no problem with calling him Jeff since he is younger than I am.

Sweatnbullets · June 19, 2004, 07:45 PM

Gabe Suarez's

Close Range Gunfighting*
Interactive Gunfighting*

Frontsights
*numerous times*
2 and 4 day Defensive Handgun
2 and 4 day Tactical Shotgun
2 and 4 day practical Rifle
Handgun Skill Builder
Shotgun Skillbuilder
Rifle Skillbuilder
Advance Tactical Handguns*
4 night Defensive Handgun*

and these once

4 night Tactical Shotgun*
2 night Advanced Tactical Handgun

* denotes excellent courses

Looking forward to another Suarez Interactive Gunfighting in Oct, Close Range Gunfighting II in Nov, Jeff Gonzales CP1 in Vegas sometime at the beginning of next year, and something soon from Fred Darling at West Coast Tactical.

GAC · June 20, 2004, 05:33 PM

I have not nearly had the extensive training of others. I am limited by available funds and available leave time. What I've had so far is:

AZ CCW course

Pro-Active (Local Phoenix school):
One day defensive handgun
Night shooting

Guns Plus (another local place):
Basic Marksmanship
Defensive handgun this July ("Communicate/Move/Shoot")

I'll also include FrontSite's free half-day subgun course since that also focused on basics like sight picture, reacting to threats, etc.

Jeff Gonzales · June 20, 2004, 06:29 PM

444,

Thanks...

May 28, 2004, 09:03 PM	#26
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,968	Denny: Please post a review of Advanced Tactical Problems, Carbine. I intended to take that this year but I don't know if I am going to be able to swing it. I have been talking about buying a new house for years now and I have finally decided that now is the time. So, money is an issue. But, I would like to hear about it anyway. __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

May 29, 2004, 09:03 PM	#27
dev_null Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2002 Location: Austin TX Posts: 615	I see that a number of people have taken the Gunsite 250. Can someone give a rough idea of their total expense including tuition, supplies, hotel, meals and travel if you flew? TIA, - 0 - __________________ The plural of anecdote is NOT "data."

May 31, 2004, 10:07 PM	#29
ShaiVong Member Join Date: November 23, 2002 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 36	Took basic practical to get my CCW; been on a waiting list for two years now for home defense and outside the home defense. __________________ 'I am Imperial Commissar Gaunt,' he said. 'I am known to be a fair man, until I am pushed. You've just pushed me.'

June 17, 2004, 04:57 AM	#36
VaughnT Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2000 Location: Western SC Posts: 663	I can see that I really, really need to get some more training in if my list is to be as impressive as some of these here! Some guys have all the luck. __________________ When Reason Fails.....

June 17, 2004, 08:56 AM	#37
Jeff Gonzales Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2004 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 126	Don't be impressed V, While it is impresive the discipline that many folks display here by continuing their education, don't be too impressed with the list. Be impressed with how well their training has impacted their skill level. Just because you attend a school from anyone dosen't mean you automatically absorb their knowledge. The biggest mistake I see in this industry is folks who fail to continue to practice between the elected training sessions they attend. It goes without saying that if you fail to practice, your skills will decline and degrade. Train hard, victory is the only option. Later, __________________ Jeff Gonzales Director of Training Trident Concepts, LLC.

May 29, 2004, 11:53 PM	#28
Phil306 Member Join Date: May 24, 2004 Location: Dublin, California Posts: 76	Dev Null, Go to http://www.gunsite.com Look up the course there. I believe tuition, now is $1200 bucks or so. I stay at the Hampton Inn in Prescott. It costs about $450.00 for the week. I'm sure there is cheaper. Food is food is food. I bring a cooler and get lunch in the morning, enroute to the range at the Safeway in Chino Valley. I'm not a big breakfast eater, so I really don't worry about it. If I'm hungry, I get something at the Safeway. Pleny of places for dinner in Prescott and Precott Valley. I can't comment on airfare, because I drive. However, I believe shipping ammo there would be cheaper then purchasing it from there; although not as easy. Having said all that, if you can go. Its a good course. Also, since your in VA, if you haven't, look into Blackwater Lodge. I've been to both of their pistol courses; excellent training and facility. Would cost you less too. http://www.blackwaterusa.com Phil

June 1, 2004, 11:52 PM	#30
ajp3jeh Junior Member Join Date: November 26, 2000 Posts: 3	Gunsite 250C Thunder Ranch Handgun 1 Handgun 2 Handgun 3 (November 2004) Front Sight Four Day Defensive Handgun Two Day Tactical Handgun Randy Cain Tactical Handgun 101 Jeff Gonzales Combative Pistol 1 Tom Givens/Rangemaster TN CCW Instructor Jim Higginbotham/Rangemaster One Day Dynamic Marksmanship Jim Crews Two Day Handgun Tutorial Maricopa Tactical Combative Pistol

June 2, 2004, 07:22 AM	#31
EricO Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 1998 Posts: 124	Walt Marshall - AWT Handgun Team Tactics Shotgun Don Lazzerini - RTT Handgun NRA Handgun instructor EricO

June 2, 2004, 11:35 PM	#32
Bruce 45/70 Junior Member Join Date: June 1, 2004 Posts: 4	Frontsight: Four Day Defensive Handgun Two day handgun skillbuilder Two day advanced tactical handgun Four day handgun master prep All of these numerous times.

June 5, 2004, 03:08 PM	#33
45acp2go Junior Member Join Date: June 5, 2004 Location: South West Ohio Posts: 4	Tactical Defense Institute www.tdiohio.com in West Union, OH. Level I - V Handgun and Conceal Carry. Midwest Training Group Bloomington, IL. www.midwesttraininggroup.net Advanced Tactical Handgun w/ Ken Hackathorn. All of these courses have more than exceeded training that I received as a Deputy Sheriff at a large SO in Ohio. More training than I should ever need but on the other hand it is my primary hobby and I plan on taking more courses. These courses are all 2 day courses usually on Saturday and Sunday. You will shoot between 600 to 1000 rounds in the 2 days. Hackathorn's Advanced Tactical Handgun course we shot until 11:00pm on Saturday night with about 3 hours of night shooting using flashlight and night shooting tecniques and level V at TDI also included night shooting, force on force house, jungle lane and live fire house shooting.

June 7, 2004, 07:33 AM	#34
RobertEsq1 Member Join Date: August 2, 2002 Posts: 37	NYPD: Basic training and annual qualification US Secret Service course FLETC Glynco Ga Tactical Entry Yonkers NYPD Advanced Tactics/Survival (the fun house)

June 8, 2004, 05:27 AM	#35
matthew temkin Junior member Join Date: June 7, 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 363	Robert.. I have a small group of LEO friends here in NYC, and we shoot quite often. We mainly practice close range point shooting, but include many other shooting skills as well. If you want to hook up, contact me at [email protected]

June 17, 2004, 07:13 PM	#38
VaughnT Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2000 Location: Western SC Posts: 663	Mr. Gonzales, you are entirely too right. And I'm guilty of just that offense, though I know better. Thanks for the reminder; I'll look forward to undergoing some of your training just as soon as possible. __________________ When Reason Fails.....

June 17, 2004, 07:16 PM	#39
Jeff Gonzales Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2004 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 126	Call me Jeff V... No worries, but please call me Jeff. When somebody says "Mr. Gonzales" I look for my dad. Look forward to training with you down the road. Take care and stay safe. Later, __________________ Jeff Gonzales Director of Training Trident Concepts, LLC.

June 17, 2004, 08:25 PM	#40
444 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,968	I found that weeks after I take a class, I am out shooting and some concept taught in the class suddenly hits me like a bolt of lightning. If I hadn't been practicing, I would have never punched in on what they were talking about. Jeff was one of the instructors of my Gunsite 223 class. I have no problem with calling him Jeff since he is younger than I am. __________________ You know the rest. In the books you have read How the British Regulars fired and fled, How the farmers gave them ball for ball, From behind each fence and farmyard wall, Chasing the redcoats down the lane, Then crossing the fields to emerge again Under the trees at the turn of the road, And only pausing to fire and load.

June 19, 2004, 07:45 PM	#41
Sweatnbullets Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2002 Posts: 263	Gabe Suarez's Close Range Gunfighting* Interactive Gunfighting* Frontsights numerous times 2 and 4 day Defensive Handgun 2 and 4 day Tactical Shotgun 2 and 4 day practical Rifle Handgun Skill Builder Shotgun Skillbuilder Rifle Skillbuilder Advance Tactical Handguns* 4 night Defensive Handgun* and these once 4 night Tactical Shotgun* 2 night Advanced Tactical Handgun * denotes excellent courses Looking forward to another Suarez Interactive Gunfighting in Oct, Close Range Gunfighting II in Nov, Jeff Gonzales CP1 in Vegas sometime at the beginning of next year, and something soon from Fred Darling at West Coast Tactical. __________________ "Situations dictate strategy, strategy dictates tactics, tactics dictate techniques.....techniques should not dictate anything." Roger Phillips, Owner and Operator of Fight Focused Concepts

June 20, 2004, 05:33 PM	#42
GAC Member Join Date: June 9, 2002 Location: Phoenix area Posts: 16	I have not nearly had the extensive training of others. I am limited by available funds and available leave time. What I've had so far is: AZ CCW course Pro-Active (Local Phoenix school): One day defensive handgun Night shooting Guns Plus (another local place): Basic Marksmanship Defensive handgun this July ("Communicate/Move/Shoot") I'll also include FrontSite's free half-day subgun course since that also focused on basics like sight picture, reacting to threats, etc.

June 20, 2004, 06:29 PM	#43
Jeff Gonzales Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2004 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 126	444, Thanks... __________________ Jeff Gonzales Director of Training Trident Concepts, LLC.