What do you YELL! - Page 5

packa45 · June 16, 2005, 12:51 AM

I like to pop off a few rounds then yell "STOP OR I'LL SHOOT."

38SnubFan · June 17, 2005, 03:49 PM

First thing I'm gonna go is check to make sure I can take the shot, if necessary, and not hit an innocent bystander (depending on my distance from BG).

Question to self: Is he within 7 yards of myself or any other innocent person? If so, I don't have time to yell commands. I only have time to draw and make the shot.

If there's enough time/distance, the things I'd yell would be:

1) STOP! PUT DOWN THE WEAPON! DON'T MAKE ME SHOOT YOU! DO IT NOW!

2) SHOW ME YOUR HANDS! DO IT NOW!

3) LIE FACE DOWN, ON YOUR STOMACH, HANDS OUT TO THE SIDES AND PALMS FACING UPWARDS! DO IT NOW!

I'll continue to repeat command #1 until he complies. If he advances towards me or any other innocent person and breaks their 21' margin, I take the shot (if he's not already within 21 feet, to which the shot will already be made).

I will also be on the cell phone with 911 ASAP!

However, like other posters have stated, there's a lot of things to take into consideration. No scenario is "One-Size-Fits-All" and things can vary and change VERY QUICKLY! There's the matter of striking innocent bystanders, as well as what your local/state laws state about intervening in this scenario.

As far as the "Impersonation Of A Police Officer/LEO" thing goes, I'll give this advice: NEVER, EVER, AND I MEAN N-E-V-E-R, even utter the word "police" during the event. If you're looking for someone to summon police assistance for you, then yell "Someone call 911, NOW!" This should keep you cleared of ANYBODY (BG, victims, witnesses, etc.) assuming you as impersonating an LEO, because you never spoke the word "police".

Just my $.02 here, after reading all the replies thus far. I'm sure someone else here has a more intelligent, thought-out approach, which may reinforce, better suggest, or even negate my input. I welcome such replies, and hope to learn something on this "What If".

Always ready and willing to learn,
38SnubFan

Para Bellum · June 17, 2005, 04:23 PM

STOP!

that's rather international.

CarbineCaleb · June 17, 2005, 04:28 PM

Banzai!!!!!!!!

cuate · June 17, 2005, 06:09 PM

I am ashamed to tell this but about 45 years ago I cornered a teen aged kid in a stolen car, I blocked him off and ordered him out of the vehicle and told him, "Get your hands on the top of the car or I'll shoot your hooter off".
That wasn't the best choice of words and definitely not Hollywood. Hooter wasn'y exactly the word I used. Well, I never was much for words.

xXStarScreamXx · June 17, 2005, 06:46 PM

Fore?!?!?!?

sean85746 · June 17, 2005, 08:18 PM

I am no longer LEO. I am retired, so I am speaking to how I would act as a happy private citizen.

"STOP! I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SHOOT YOU!" or something to similar effect.

Hell, yell for the police... but make sure you are clearly remembered as the one who tried to avoid trouble.

Trying to show how hairy your chest may be in a situation such as this is not important. I don't want to be "macho" in prison, when I can be home living my life. I want responding officers to note that I was calm, courteous, polite, and cooperative at all times. This will go a LONG way in determining if you will be prosecuted.

If there are witnesses, make damned sure you don't try to be cute, clever, witty, or whatever, a prosecutor or civil lawyer will eat that like a good BBQ sammich!

Make sure the witnesses heard you say, in a loud clear voice, that you DO NOT want to shoot!

Similarly...if you have to lay a good old fashioned butt whuppin' on someone...make sure any witnesses hear YOU say..."I don't want trouble". Or something like that. Make yourself inhabit the role of peacemaker.

The look in your eyes, and the willingness to go to immediate violent action will be recognized by your adversary. A sheep knows a wolf when it sees one, and keeping your head up high, and your eyes always moving and NOT looking like prey will make you a much less attractive target.

Like Eastwood said in a movie...."A good glare has stopped trouble more than once."

knowledge98 · June 26, 2005, 01:01 PM

I had gone over in my head 1k times what I would say and do if someone came into my house. Well the other night the dog woke me n the wife up in the middle of the night I think it was around 2am so I got up and checked the house (doors windows and so on with the pistol still in the drawer)...didn't find anything out of the ordinary so we lay back down as were falling back to sleep the doorknob turns to our bedroom I was out of the bed had the slide pulled back and loaded in a matter of seconds, so its all quiet....I'm standing their pointing my gun at my bedroom door and I say HELLO? hahahah turns out my wife didn't close the door all the way and the handle popped back into place a few minutes after we laid down....long story short I had it all planned out what I was gonna do if it ever happened and all I said was hello...

PSE · June 26, 2005, 02:15 PM

i want to see your war face...?

xXStarScreamXx · June 26, 2005, 02:34 PM

Geronimo!!!!!!!

big daddy 9mm · June 27, 2005, 08:30 AM

.... Wanna A Pixie Stick!!!!!?????

BAtech · June 30, 2005, 02:35 AM

What is a tueller drill

Apple a Day · June 30, 2005, 07:21 AM

"Who sells underwear 'cause I just crapped mine!"

Probably after the shooting stopped though along with
"Hello?.... operator?.....Hello?...." because of the dialtone ringing in my ears after the gunshots.

Mikkel · June 30, 2005, 07:25 AM

Drop your shorts or ill shoot!!!

quiettype1 · June 30, 2005, 08:54 AM

Matare maricon!

Vic303 · June 30, 2005, 09:23 AM

Well, the other night when there was a loud crashing noise in the house, my husband yelled "DOGS! ATTACK!!" to our happily snoring Ridgebacks, who were not even disturbed by the crash--but who DID get up to defend ME as I went down the hall to check/secure the kidlets rooms. Hubby checked the main part of the house.

Turns out it was nothing more than the shower curtain bar crashing down from too much cycling gear hanging up to dry...

(*Yes, we were armed, but I don't recall what my husband carried--I had a 1911.)

Twycross · June 30, 2005, 10:18 AM

"You are terminated."

bjbarron · June 30, 2005, 10:33 AM

Nothing before....

After?

"Dear, I'm so sorry about the rug. I'm sure they can get the bloodstains out."

I know my priorities, and one of 'em ain't talking to dirtbags...

Lion In Winter · June 30, 2005, 12:13 PM

Utterances I've heard folks say;

"Tell god I said hello."

"This is going to be fun!"

"Are you a blanking idiot?"(guy reaching for gun with lots of good guy guns pointed at him.")

Re another of the above, gun on nightstand,
"Do you think you'll make it?"

Re one more of the above;
"Go ahead, it's a slow night."

To homeowner answering door with gun in hand, wrong warrant address.

"Can we talk?"

Most statements are best said and are well received if spoken while looking over or through your sights.

CyberSEAL · July 21, 2005, 10:47 PM

Hello all, this is my first post here, great forum. I've thought about this issue before as I've been CCW for the last 5 years after my family's life was threatened by a heroin addicted homicidal maniac. If I'm in a situation where I have to draw (have only had one such instance in 5 years, didn't draw, came close though) I have no qualms with falsely identifying myself as LEO. It's my opinion that if the criminal thinks I'm LEO, he will think I have no issue whatsoever with shooting him. Even dumb criminals know who their natural enemy is, and what they bring to the table. This kind of response would best be done in a situation where there were not a lot of witnesses.

I've spoken to CCW instructors in my area, some of whom privately agree with my argument, however would not say so in the course of teaching their classes. Frankly, if I've drawn my weapon, I'm concerned with making it home that night, not a weak impersonation charge that will be easily toppled with a letter to my local chief and prosecutor.

migrantmigraine · July 23, 2005, 01:42 AM

I guess 'Stand and Deliver' is out of style. A good Howard Dean scream might do something - get folks' attention, you'd want as many supportive witnesses as possible, I reckon. 'Remember the Alamo' will probably top the list for me - it's patriotic.
If you don't want to draw the gun at all, something psychotic might do. A man with a knife in a mall, you could look at him closely and scream 'Nelly!' so as to rattle the skylights. Or say something in pig latin. Confuse or confound the creep, and/or draw a gun afterwards and switch to a calmer yet authoritative personality, tell him to reach for the pavement, unless he'd like to be under it.*
Singing a nursery rhyme ought to unnerve anybody also, if you do it loud enough (any of you folks try and watch Sesame Street?).*

*The above is from the Idiot's Guide to Psychological Warfare, my upcoming magnum opus.

jburtonpdx · July 23, 2005, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Singing a nursery rhyme ought to unnerve anybody also, if you do it loud enough

ROFLMAO

Picture me - big fat guy, wearing some sort of loud hawaiian style shirt and shorts - drawing on a big scarry BG while screaming twinkle twinkle little star as loud as I can....

I think I like that, may train at the range like that next time....

Whitefalls · July 23, 2005, 02:54 PM

Any line from Tombstone should do the trick...

"I'm your huckleberry"

"I want your blood, and I want your soul, and I want them both right now"

or... my personal favorite...

"Say when" followed by a wink of course...

38SnubFan · July 25, 2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Frankly, if I've drawn my weapon, I'm concerned with making it home that night, not a weak impersonation charge that will be easily toppled with a letter to my local chief and prosecutor.

Hate to be the one to tell you this, but here in PA that charge is FAR FROM WEAK! That charge, if convicted, will cost you your PA License To Carry Firearms, all of your weapons confiscated, and your right to purchase, own, or even POSSESS a firearm taken away from you.

If you're not a cop, no matter how bad the situation is, don't try to act like one. They went through (and continue to do throughout their career) a lot of training. You didn't. You may just be committing suicide with such an action. Your CCW instructior would be DEAD WRONG to agree with your argument.

Also, there's a lot of BGs out there who would love to kill a cop. By saying you're one, you may have just made yourself a bigger target.

Sorry to rant, but I just think that concept is a reallly, really, REALLY bad idea.

-38SnubFan

CyberSEAL · July 25, 2005, 01:20 PM

A lot of the firearms instructors I know would disagree with you on that. I doubt that the majority of violent criminals are hell-bent on killing a cop. Some are, sure, but not most. There's a serious psychological advantage to a criminal thinking they are dealing with a LEO. I'm doubtful I'd be convicted or even charged in such a situation, were it to happen in my hometown.

June 16, 2005, 12:51 AM	#101
packa45 Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2005 Location: Waco TX Posts: 756	I like to pop off a few rounds then yell "STOP OR I'LL SHOOT." __________________ The disarming of the citizenry has always been the mark of the totalitarian government. -Massad Ayoob Don't mess with the bull, you'll get the horns.

June 17, 2005, 03:49 PM	#102
38SnubFan Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2004 Location: Harrisburg, PA USA Posts: 118	Going with the "BG has a knife" theory..... First thing I'm gonna go is check to make sure I can take the shot, if necessary, and not hit an innocent bystander (depending on my distance from BG). Question to self: Is he within 7 yards of myself or any other innocent person? If so, I don't have time to yell commands. I only have time to draw and make the shot. If there's enough time/distance, the things I'd yell would be: 1) STOP! PUT DOWN THE WEAPON! DON'T MAKE ME SHOOT YOU! DO IT NOW! 2) SHOW ME YOUR HANDS! DO IT NOW! 3) LIE FACE DOWN, ON YOUR STOMACH, HANDS OUT TO THE SIDES AND PALMS FACING UPWARDS! DO IT NOW! I'll continue to repeat command #1 until he complies. If he advances towards me or any other innocent person and breaks their 21' margin, I take the shot (if he's not already within 21 feet, to which the shot will already be made). I will also be on the cell phone with 911 ASAP! However, like other posters have stated, there's a lot of things to take into consideration. No scenario is "One-Size-Fits-All" and things can vary and change VERY QUICKLY! There's the matter of striking innocent bystanders, as well as what your local/state laws state about intervening in this scenario. As far as the "Impersonation Of A Police Officer/LEO" thing goes, I'll give this advice: NEVER, EVER, AND I MEAN N-E-V-E-R, even utter the word "police" during the event. If you're looking for someone to summon police assistance for you, then yell "Someone call 911, NOW!" This should keep you cleared of ANYBODY (BG, victims, witnesses, etc.) assuming you as impersonating an LEO, because you never spoke the word "police". Just my $.02 here, after reading all the replies thus far. I'm sure someone else here has a more intelligent, thought-out approach, which may reinforce, better suggest, or even negate my input. I welcome such replies, and hope to learn something on this "What If". Always ready and willing to learn, 38SnubFan __________________ Sure, you can have my gun...BULLETS FIRST! "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men and women stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -A token of appreciation for the good cops. "Good cheer and steady aim are always fashionable." "Will...if need be!" ΜΟΛΩΝ ΑΛΒΕ!

June 17, 2005, 04:23 PM	#103
Para Bellum Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2005 Location: right there Posts: 1,882	STOP! that's rather international. __________________ Si vis pacem - para bellum If you want peace - prepare for war

June 17, 2005, 06:09 PM	#105
cuate Junior member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Location: Comanche Co. Texas Posts: 737	Whaddaya Yell? I am ashamed to tell this but about 45 years ago I cornered a teen aged kid in a stolen car, I blocked him off and ordered him out of the vehicle and told him, "Get your hands on the top of the car or I'll shoot your hooter off". That wasn't the best choice of words and definitely not Hollywood. Hooter wasn'y exactly the word I used. Well, I never was much for words.

June 17, 2005, 06:46 PM	#106
xXStarScreamXx Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2005 Location: Nor*Cal 707 Posts: 353	Fore?!?!?!? __________________ I still don't see why cannibalism is a crime.

June 17, 2005, 04:28 PM	#104
CarbineCaleb Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2004 Posts: 2,745	Banzai!!!!!!!!

June 17, 2005, 08:18 PM	#107
sean85746 Member Join Date: February 24, 2005 Posts: 64	I am no longer LEO. I am retired, so I am speaking to how I would act as a happy private citizen. "STOP! I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SHOOT YOU!" or something to similar effect. Hell, yell for the police... but make sure you are clearly remembered as the one who tried to avoid trouble. Trying to show how hairy your chest may be in a situation such as this is not important. I don't want to be "macho" in prison, when I can be home living my life. I want responding officers to note that I was calm, courteous, polite, and cooperative at all times. This will go a LONG way in determining if you will be prosecuted. If there are witnesses, make damned sure you don't try to be cute, clever, witty, or whatever, a prosecutor or civil lawyer will eat that like a good BBQ sammich! Make sure the witnesses heard you say, in a loud clear voice, that you DO NOT want to shoot! Similarly...if you have to lay a good old fashioned butt whuppin' on someone...make sure any witnesses hear YOU say..."I don't want trouble". Or something like that. Make yourself inhabit the role of peacemaker. The look in your eyes, and the willingness to go to immediate violent action will be recognized by your adversary. A sheep knows a wolf when it sees one, and keeping your head up high, and your eyes always moving and NOT looking like prey will make you a much less attractive target. Like Eastwood said in a movie...."A good glare has stopped trouble more than once."

June 26, 2005, 01:01 PM	#108
knowledge98 Member Join Date: April 9, 2005 Location: Westland, Mi. Posts: 33	I had gone over in my head 1k times what I would say and do if someone came into my house. Well the other night the dog woke me n the wife up in the middle of the night I think it was around 2am so I got up and checked the house (doors windows and so on with the pistol still in the drawer)...didn't find anything out of the ordinary so we lay back down as were falling back to sleep the doorknob turns to our bedroom I was out of the bed had the slide pulled back and loaded in a matter of seconds, so its all quiet....I'm standing their pointing my gun at my bedroom door and I say HELLO? hahahah turns out my wife didn't close the door all the way and the handle popped back into place a few minutes after we laid down....long story short I had it all planned out what I was gonna do if it ever happened and all I said was hello... __________________ Taurus Millenium Pro PT111 SS

June 26, 2005, 02:15 PM	#109
PSE Junior member Join Date: July 23, 2004 Location: stupids womb, SC Posts: 475	i want to see your war face...?

June 26, 2005, 02:34 PM	#110
xXStarScreamXx Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2005 Location: Nor*Cal 707 Posts: 353	Geronimo!!!!!!! __________________ I still don't see why cannibalism is a crime.

June 27, 2005, 08:30 AM	#111
big daddy 9mm Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2005 Posts: 451	mmm... .... Wanna A Pixie Stick!!!!!?????

June 30, 2005, 02:35 AM	#112
BAtech Junior Member Join Date: June 30, 2005 Posts: 4	tueller drill What is a tueller drill

June 30, 2005, 07:21 AM	#113
Apple a Day Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2000 Location: Poquoson,Virginia Posts: 1,524	"Who sells underwear 'cause I just crapped mine!" Probably after the shooting stopped though along with "Hello?.... operator?.....Hello?...." because of the dialtone ringing in my ears after the gunshots. __________________ THose who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules. Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

June 30, 2005, 07:25 AM	#114
Mikkel Member Join Date: January 6, 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 81	Drop your shorts or ill shoot!!!

June 30, 2005, 08:54 AM	#115
quiettype1 Member Join Date: June 17, 2004 Posts: 19	what do you yell Matare maricon!

June 30, 2005, 09:23 AM	#116
Vic303 Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 90	Well, the other night when there was a loud crashing noise in the house, my husband yelled "DOGS! ATTACK!!" to our happily snoring Ridgebacks, who were not even disturbed by the crash--but who DID get up to defend ME as I went down the hall to check/secure the kidlets rooms. Hubby checked the main part of the house. Turns out it was nothing more than the shower curtain bar crashing down from too much cycling gear hanging up to dry... (*Yes, we were armed, but I don't recall what my husband carried--I had a 1911.)

June 30, 2005, 10:18 AM	#117
Twycross Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 1,187	"You are terminated." __________________ The test of character is not 'hanging in' when you expect light at the end of the tunnel, but performance of duty, and persistence of example when you know no light is coming. - Vice Admiral James Stockdale, USN (ret.)

June 30, 2005, 10:33 AM	#118
bjbarron Junior Member Join Date: June 30, 2005 Posts: 5	Nothing before.... After? "Dear, I'm so sorry about the rug. I'm sure they can get the bloodstains out." I know my priorities, and one of 'em ain't talking to dirtbags...

June 30, 2005, 12:13 PM	#119
Lion In Winter Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Posts: 67	Utterances I've heard folks say; "Tell god I said hello." "This is going to be fun!" "Are you a blanking idiot?"(guy reaching for gun with lots of good guy guns pointed at him.") Re another of the above, gun on nightstand, "Do you think you'll make it?" Re one more of the above; "Go ahead, it's a slow night." To homeowner answering door with gun in hand, wrong warrant address. "Can we talk?" Most statements are best said and are well received if spoken while looking over or through your sights.

July 21, 2005, 10:47 PM	#120
CyberSEAL Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2005 Posts: 161	Hello all, this is my first post here, great forum. I've thought about this issue before as I've been CCW for the last 5 years after my family's life was threatened by a heroin addicted homicidal maniac. If I'm in a situation where I have to draw (have only had one such instance in 5 years, didn't draw, came close though) I have no qualms with falsely identifying myself as LEO. It's my opinion that if the criminal thinks I'm LEO, he will think I have no issue whatsoever with shooting him. Even dumb criminals know who their natural enemy is, and what they bring to the table. This kind of response would best be done in a situation where there were not a lot of witnesses. I've spoken to CCW instructors in my area, some of whom privately agree with my argument, however would not say so in the course of teaching their classes. Frankly, if I've drawn my weapon, I'm concerned with making it home that night, not a weak impersonation charge that will be easily toppled with a letter to my local chief and prosecutor.

July 23, 2005, 01:42 AM	#121
migrantmigraine Member Join Date: June 27, 2005 Location: In the Twilight zone. Posts: 55	I guess 'Stand and Deliver' is out of style. A good Howard Dean scream might do something - get folks' attention, you'd want as many supportive witnesses as possible, I reckon. 'Remember the Alamo' will probably top the list for me - it's patriotic. If you don't want to draw the gun at all, something psychotic might do. A man with a knife in a mall, you could look at him closely and scream 'Nelly!' so as to rattle the skylights. Or say something in pig latin. Confuse or confound the creep, and/or draw a gun afterwards and switch to a calmer yet authoritative personality, tell him to reach for the pavement, unless he'd like to be under it.* Singing a nursery rhyme ought to unnerve anybody also, if you do it loud enough (any of you folks try and watch Sesame Street?).* *The above is from the Idiot's Guide to Psychological Warfare, my upcoming magnum opus.

July 23, 2005, 02:54 PM	#123
Whitefalls Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Posts: 166	Any line from Tombstone should do the trick... "I'm your huckleberry" "I want your blood, and I want your soul, and I want them both right now" or... my personal favorite... "Say when" followed by a wink of course...

July 25, 2005, 01:20 PM	#125
CyberSEAL Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2005 Posts: 161	A lot of the firearms instructors I know would disagree with you on that. I doubt that the majority of violent criminals are hell-bent on killing a cop. Some are, sure, but not most. There's a serious psychological advantage to a criminal thinking they are dealing with a LEO. I'm doubtful I'd be convicted or even charged in such a situation, were it to happen in my hometown.

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