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Old July 11, 2016, 01:45 PM   #1
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Shipping a C&R question

Hey all, I'm shipping a rifle tomorrow through ups and am wondering what to tell them when they ask in the box? I am an FFL03 shipping to another FFL03, this is my first time shipping so I guess I'm a little nervous lol. Thanks


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Old July 11, 2016, 06:26 PM   #2
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You are required to notify them that you are shipping a firearm (rifle) to an FFL.
They will require you ship with Adult Signature Required on delivery.

EDIT: Double checked- I misspoke. The notification requirement only applies if shipping a handgun- not long guns.
Also, make sure nothing on the package would indicate it might contain a firearm ( cannot ship to an address such as "Jim's Guns"...)

Read their requirements, here:
https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/re...rm&WT.svl=SRCH
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Old July 11, 2016, 06:26 PM   #3
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Tell them the truth
Tell them exactly what it is
There should be no problems

You will also need a copy of both FFLs for their records
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Old July 11, 2016, 06:40 PM   #4
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firewrench044 ...You will also need a copy of both FFLs for their records
No such requirement in any UPS/FedEx or USPS rule, regulation, policy or tariff.
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Old July 11, 2016, 06:47 PM   #5
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Make sure to get the insurance if it is over $100.

(Personally, I found Fedex Ground to be a better deal, as well as the USPS)

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Today 07:26 PM
Sorry, absolutely false
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Old July 11, 2016, 08:07 PM   #6
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Thanks for the replies, i was just a little nervous being my first time and didn't want to cause a panic at the shipping center.


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Old July 11, 2016, 08:15 PM   #7
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Really no different than when a dealer ships a C&R to you. The UPS man used to tell my wife, "Do you know there's a gun in this box?" and her reply was always, "Yes." After about number 10, he quit asking.

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Old July 11, 2016, 10:01 PM   #8
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I once ordered a "special deal" from (IIRC) Navy Arms. The express guy asked the same question - did I know there was a gun in the box. I told him there better be three of them in there or I was going to have to report him. When I closed the door, his mouth was still moving but there was no sound coming out.

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Old July 12, 2016, 08:58 AM   #9
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In reference to the copys of FFLs

The UPS store I use always ask for them
the one time the clerk did not, her boss chewed her ass good

Whether it is required or not its easy to have them ready

( black and white or color copys does not matter )
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Old July 12, 2016, 09:03 AM   #10
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With a long gun, you can use USPS and probably save some money.
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Old July 12, 2016, 12:27 PM   #11
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The UPS store I use always ask for [FFL copies]
UPS stores are franchises and AFAIK most of them won't even handle firearms. I presume that asking for FFL copies is a local franchisee policy. It may be unique to the one store. [EDIT: Also refer to tobnpr's follow-on post.]

I've shipped numerous firearms via UPS, always through company-operated hubs, and they have NEVER asked me to produce any supplemental paperwork of any sort.
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With a long gun, you can use USPS and probably save some money.
+1, just be aware that the package must contain a shoulder stock and a barrel 16 inches or more in length, and the rifle must have an overall length of 26 inches or greater as assembled; otherwise it is not considered to be a rifle and is lumped together with handguns, which licensed collectors may not lawfully ship via USPS unless they're legal antiques [EDIT: the firearms being antiques, not necessarily the collectors, although this may also be the case ]. Check the "How to ship firearms" thread that's stickied in the General Discussion subforum.
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Old July 12, 2016, 12:35 PM   #12
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I've always had to go to the UPS hub here to ship them.The UPS stores won't touch them. The truck will drop them off at my home though.
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The UPS stores won't touch them.
And they're not supposed to, per UPS regs.
However, some still do- even pack them up for the customer. Either they'd rather risk their franchise over a few bucks, or have an employee that doesn't know the rules...
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I got a Fedex account a few years ago. I do the packing, labeling, and paperwork and just drop the box off at the nearest Fedex location. Easiest process in the world, and cheaper. No hassles from any counter people.
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Old July 12, 2016, 03:02 PM   #15
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The UPS store I use always ask for them
the one time the clerk did not, her boss chewed her ass good
Mistake number 1

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And they're not supposed to, per UPS regs.
Correct.

And NEVER lie about it being "machine parts" or similar..............
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Old July 13, 2016, 06:16 AM   #16
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So I went yesterday, fully prepared with licenses. Either the guy an NRA member or the hub I went to is really lax. The guy didn't ask for anything, just asked what's in the box. I said an antique long rifle and he didn't even bat an eye...done.

Thanks for all the advice.


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Old July 13, 2016, 07:01 AM   #17
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^^

Either he didn't know the "rules"- or he did...

The overwhelming majority (some rare exceptions) of 1898 and earlier "antiques" (long rifle, or handgun) is NOT a "firearm". You didn't state in your original post that it was an antique.

No FFL license was even needed- and no background checks, 4473's, etc. are done on them. They do not fall under the purview of the GCA.

You were not shipping a firearm, so no special requirements.
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So I went yesterday, fully prepared with licenses. Either the guy an NRA member or the hub I went to is really lax. The guy didn't ask for anything, just asked what's in the box. I said an antique long rifle and he didn't even bat an eye...done.
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The overwhelming majority (some rare exceptions) of 1898 and earlier "antiques" (long rifle, or handgun) is NOT a "firearm". You didn't state in your original post that it was an antique.
Easyliven88, did you mean "antique" in the sense of "really old", or a legal antique per 18 U.S. Code § 921(a)(16)?

To be concise, I generally use the phrase "legal antique" for the latter. AFAIK legal antiques may be shipped via FedEx and UPS without any significant restrictions, including to non-licensees, although I always recommend double-checking their tariffs to be certain. Due to a peculiar restriction in USPS Publication 52 § 432.2.a, an 03 FFL may not mail a legal antique handgun to anyone unless it is also C&R eligible, but this does not apply to rifles and shotguns; refer to the stickied shipment thread.

Lastly, I believe that the "rare exceptions" spoken of by tobnpr are pre-1899 fixed-cartridge firearms that fall within the purview of the NFA. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. )
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