Anybody shooting B-P in a .30-06?

duelist1954 · January 5, 2012, 06:38 PM

I have a yen to shoot my .30-06 double rifle with cast bullets and black powder. Is anyone here shooting B-P in a .30-06? If so what are you loading?

Hawg · January 5, 2012, 07:40 PM

That's one thing I haven't tried but if you have a 1911 go for it, it's a hoot.

illus1on · January 5, 2012, 09:34 PM

I can only dream about a 1911 for now hawg lol. Hopefully it becomes reality sooner then later! I'm currently in the process of getting my licencing to aquire such weapons. Which is eaiser said then done in my parts

With that said tho, a 1911 and possibly a browning hi-power are on my wish list!

Hellgate · January 5, 2012, 11:01 PM

The problem might be the lack of suitable bullets for the 30 caliber. Most cast 30 cals are set up to use alox/beeswax lubes but there may not be enough lube carrying capacity to keep fouling soft. Maybe a bullet with multiple lube groves would work.

arcticap · January 6, 2012, 05:13 AM

I found the following info. about black powder loads in the .30-06:

http://www.shootersforum.com/blackpo...r-30-06-a.html

Also some related info. about a good small game load using 777.

See: The '06 for Small Game

http://www.grouchyconservativepundit...c=12710.0;wap2

Even Sam Fadala preferred using a 110 grain bullet loaded down for small game hunting with his .30-06.

See page 129, column 2 The Chamleon Muzzleloader

http://books.google.com/books?id=Dzx...20load&f=false

Apparently Trail Boss makes a good load with a 155 grain cast bullet which tends to verify the first reference above. What's useful is that the velocity can be duplicated using Black Powder.

http://www.reloadammo.com/3006load.htm

Here's a thread mentioning to swab between every shot because the bullets aren't lubed. Also in the last post an unusual warning regarding using jacketed bullets with black powder.

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php?topic=247807.0

Hawg · January 6, 2012, 05:41 AM

illus1on, I picked up a Rock Island tactical the other day. For a cheap 1911 it's a great deal. It will feed anything you want to put thru it.

ofitg · January 6, 2012, 08:29 AM

Quote:

That's one thing I haven't tried but if you have a 1911 go for it, it's a hoot.

Hawg, did BP generate enough velocity/recoil to cycle the 1911's action?

Hawg · January 6, 2012, 04:39 PM

Sure did. Used 255 grain Kieth.

Ideal Tool · January 6, 2012, 09:55 PM

Hello, duelist 1954. When the British adopted the .303 in 1888..the Mk.1 used a 215gr. full-jacket cuprometal bullet, and a compressed charge of black powder ( the powder was compressed into a solid cyl. & inserted into un-necked case, after seating a card wad over powder, the case was necked & bullet seated..This same procedure was followed for the later cordite loading.
The Metford rifling, with it's rounded lands & grooves probably helped control fouling build up.

darkgael · January 7, 2012, 05:32 AM

Seems to me that, if one wants to follow the standard advice about using BP, that compression may be an issue in a case like the .30-06. Maybe not.
Will filling the case into the neck provide adequate compression?
Pete

January 5, 2012, 06:38 PM	#1
duelist1954 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2011 Location: Central Pennsylvania Posts: 567	Anybody shooting B-P in a .30-06? I have a yen to shoot my .30-06 double rifle with cast bullets and black powder. Is anyone here shooting B-P in a .30-06? If so what are you loading?

January 5, 2012, 09:34 PM	#3
illus1on Member Join Date: December 26, 2011 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 37	I can only dream about a 1911 for now hawg lol. Hopefully it becomes reality sooner then later! I'm currently in the process of getting my licencing to aquire such weapons. Which is eaiser said then done in my parts With that said tho, a 1911 and possibly a browning hi-power are on my wish list! __________________ "God made man... But sam colt made em equal."

January 5, 2012, 11:01 PM	#4
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	The problem might be the lack of suitable bullets for the 30 caliber. Most cast 30 cals are set up to use alox/beeswax lubes but there may not be enough lube carrying capacity to keep fouling soft. Maybe a bullet with multiple lube groves would work. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

January 6, 2012, 05:13 AM	#5
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	I found the following info. about black powder loads in the .30-06: http://www.shootersforum.com/blackpo...r-30-06-a.html Also some related info. about a good small game load using 777. See: The '06 for Small Game http://www.grouchyconservativepundit...c=12710.0;wap2 Even Sam Fadala preferred using a 110 grain bullet loaded down for small game hunting with his .30-06. See page 129, column 2 The Chamleon Muzzleloader http://books.google.com/books?id=Dzx...20load&f=false Apparently Trail Boss makes a good load with a 155 grain cast bullet which tends to verify the first reference above. What's useful is that the velocity can be duplicated using Black Powder. http://www.reloadammo.com/3006load.htm Here's a thread mentioning to swab between every shot because the bullets aren't lubed. Also in the last post an unusual warning regarding using jacketed bullets with black powder. http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php?topic=247807.0 Last edited by arcticap; January 6, 2012 at 05:21 AM.

January 7, 2012, 05:32 AM	#10
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	BP Seems to me that, if one wants to follow the standard advice about using BP, that compression may be an issue in a case like the .30-06. Maybe not. Will filling the case into the neck provide adequate compression? Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

January 5, 2012, 07:40 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	That's one thing I haven't tried but if you have a 1911 go for it, it's a hoot.

January 6, 2012, 05:41 AM	#6
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	illus1on, I picked up a Rock Island tactical the other day. For a cheap 1911 it's a great deal. It will feed anything you want to put thru it.

January 6, 2012, 04:39 PM	#8
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Sure did. Used 255 grain Kieth.

January 6, 2012, 09:55 PM	#9
Ideal Tool Junior member Join Date: October 6, 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,080	Hello, duelist 1954. When the British adopted the .303 in 1888..the Mk.1 used a 215gr. full-jacket cuprometal bullet, and a compressed charge of black powder ( the powder was compressed into a solid cyl. & inserted into un-necked case, after seating a card wad over powder, the case was necked & bullet seated..This same procedure was followed for the later cordite loading. The Metford rifling, with it's rounded lands & grooves probably helped control fouling build up.