45-70 for Africa? - Page 2

Ole 5 hole group · December 30, 2008, 11:55 AM

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This is just being stupid.
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Originally Posted by phil mcwilliam
Even close up the 45-70 only delivers roughly half in foot/pounds energy that a 375 magnum delivers.
357 bullet 180gr at 1200fps = 575.69
45/70 bullet 405gr at 2000fts = 3598.08 ft/lbs

I think you may have misunderstood Phil's post - I'm sure he was refering to the 375 H&H Magnum, which is a little different than what you're thinking of.

Tom Matiska · December 30, 2008, 01:34 PM

Any insight into magazine tube kabooms with such loads? I seem to recall issues with early version of Buffalo Bore ammo in Marlin tubes..... didn’t they tinker with primer choices as a result?

Marlin action is plenty strong, but the combination of hard ammo and heavy loads in a tube makes me wonder.

popeyespappy · December 30, 2008, 09:10 PM

I believe the quote was a 375 magnum not a 357 magnum. The 375 H&H Magnum would look more like this.

300 grain bullet at 2500 feet per second = 4163 foot pounds of energy

Redneckrepairs · December 30, 2008, 09:17 PM

Assuming the " crevat " of proper load , it would be enough gun for me to take .

The Terminator · December 31, 2008, 11:19 PM

I get so tired of statements that Garrett or Buffalo Bore bullets are needed for the 45/70. It just isnt the case. If you will read what the hunter used on his African Safari, maddog shot an intermediate load of the following.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...highlight=kudu

Quoted from the shooter:
300 gr. nosler partition
WW cases
51 gr. H4198
Fed. 210 primer
Lee factory crimp.

MV 1950 fps
ME 2500 aprox.

5 of the african animals were 1 shot DRT, no tracking. The zebra was very tough, and because I didn't hit it right the 1st. time, we had a real "fire fight". I uncorked 5 more shots on it, and the results were 2 hits, 1 miss, and 2 murdered african trees

I shoot the 300 and 350 grain bullets at 1400 fps, slightly less powerful than the one listed above, and don't worry about killing anything with it. I readily admit now that I haven't shot an animal with my hand loads yet, just to be clear.

However, the loads listed by maddog, and used on plains game are not as stout as PMC standard loads for modern rifles. PMC's give 3051lbs of energy with a 350 grain bullet. Far below Garrett or Buffalo Bore or Corbon offerings.

gadgetguy1288 · January 1, 2009, 12:04 AM

I think the bottom line to the op's question, is that YES it can, and HAS been done before.

I again refer to
http://www.garrettcartridges.com/

so theres at least one person whos done it take the Dangerous Big Six(Lion, Leopard, Elephant, Rhino, Hippo, Cape Buffalo)

December 31, 2008, 11:19 PM	#30
The Terminator Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2002 Location: Georgia, 35 miles Northwest of the armpit Posts: 946	I get so tired of statements that Garrett or Buffalo Bore bullets are needed for the 45/70. It just isnt the case. If you will read what the hunter used on his African Safari, maddog shot an intermediate load of the following. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...highlight=kudu Quoted from the shooter: 300 gr. nosler partition WW cases 51 gr. H4198 Fed. 210 primer Lee factory crimp. MV 1950 fps ME 2500 aprox. 5 of the african animals were 1 shot DRT, no tracking. The zebra was very tough, and because I didn't hit it right the 1st. time, we had a real "fire fight". I uncorked 5 more shots on it, and the results were 2 hits, 1 miss, and 2 murdered african trees I shoot the 300 and 350 grain bullets at 1400 fps, slightly less powerful than the one listed above, and don't worry about killing anything with it. I readily admit now that I haven't shot an animal with my hand loads yet, just to be clear. However, the loads listed by maddog, and used on plains game are not as stout as PMC standard loads for modern rifles. PMC's give 3051lbs of energy with a 350 grain bullet. Far below Garrett or Buffalo Bore or Corbon offerings. __________________ The Terminator John 3:16 (I hope to see You over there.)

January 1, 2009, 12:04 AM	#31
gadgetguy1288 Member Join Date: January 30, 2008 Location: Elizabeth City, NC Posts: 89	I think the bottom line to the op's question, is that YES it can, and HAS been done before. I again refer to http://www.garrettcartridges.com/ so theres at least one person whos done it take the Dangerous Big Six(Lion, Leopard, Elephant, Rhino, Hippo, Cape Buffalo) __________________ Randy "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government, or in the case of a zombie outbreak."

December 30, 2008, 01:34 PM	#27
Tom Matiska Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2000 Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pa Posts: 1,029	Any insight into magazine tube kabooms with such loads? I seem to recall issues with early version of Buffalo Bore ammo in Marlin tubes..... didn’t they tinker with primer choices as a result? Marlin action is plenty strong, but the combination of hard ammo and heavy loads in a tube makes me wonder.

December 30, 2008, 09:10 PM	#28
popeyespappy Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Posts: 337	I believe the quote was a 375 magnum not a 357 magnum. The 375 H&H Magnum would look more like this. 300 grain bullet at 2500 feet per second = 4163 foot pounds of energy

December 30, 2008, 09:17 PM	#29
Redneckrepairs Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2006 Posts: 666	Assuming the " crevat " of proper load , it would be enough gun for me to take .