Kay Jeweler's - Really?

Picher · December 19, 2014, 09:01 PM

I was "greeted" by this sign on the door to Kay Jewelers recently:

“No person shall carry, possess, have under the person’s control, convey or attempt to convey a firearm, concealed firearm, dangerous ordinance, handgun, or deadly weapon on or onto this land, parking lot or premises.”
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The legality of their sign seems somewhat grand as they are attempting to ban all weapons anywhere around the store, including what is a public parking area in front of many other stores which don’t display any similar signs.

The fact that I had just left the shooting range with my target rifles in the truck really turned me off. I will never enter their store again. Hopefully, others who are sane will agree and will boycott the store.

spacemanspiff · December 19, 2014, 09:21 PM

I would think that such signage is more to appease their insurance company rather than project their feelings about guns. Think about it. Their entire industry is a target for robbers.
If the signs only have what you put in your post, theres nothing about being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law blah blah blah, then its not about the 2nd Amendment, its about insurance. Thats my opinion, not worth a whole heck of a lot these days.

You could write a letter to the store addressed to its manager to inquire about the sign. That would be a better first step than to start a boycott.

Where I am, most jewelry stores are in shopping malls, which may or may not post signage preventing carrying. Others are in actual stores, such as Fred Meyer Jewelers. I contemplated this earlier this week when I went to complete the anniversary gift I bought for my wife. I opted to go to Fred Meyer Jewelers instead of a place like Zales or Kay, even though both those are in shopping malls, cause I knew I wouldnt have to worry about leaving my gun in the truck at Fred Meyers.

doofus47 · December 19, 2014, 10:36 PM

"parking lot"?
whatever.
I shop local anyhow.

Kosh75287 · December 19, 2014, 10:48 PM

“No person shall carry, possess, have under the person’s control, convey or attempt to convey a firearm, concealed firearm, dangerous ordinance, handgun, or deadly weapon on or onto this land, parking lot or premises.”

Prolly saved yourself some money, not doing business with 'em . If they can't spell O*R*D*N*A*N*C*E correctly, what kinda jewelers can they be?

Bpcurious · December 20, 2014, 02:03 AM

I'll have to agree it simply sounds like insurance signage.

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If they can't spell O*R*D*N*A*N*C*E correctly, what kinda jewelers can they be?

I have a feeling your attempt at insulting Kay Jewelers is going to backfire onto the OP....

Wishoot · December 20, 2014, 09:18 AM

Just another reason not to shop there. I can't stand their TV commercials either.

Double Naught Spy · December 20, 2014, 09:45 AM

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The fact that I had just left the shooting range with my target rifles in the truck really turned me off.

LOL, the sign should have turned you off regardless of whether you had just left the range or not.

I take it that you don't do business with Kay Jewelers on any regular basis. It has been corporate policy at least since 2009.

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If they can't spell O*R*D*N*A*N*C*E correctly, what kinda jewelers can they be?

So if the issue is spelling that determines the character of a person or business and the spelling error resides with the OP, then what are you saying about the OP? Do you know if the spelling error was with the OP or with the jewelry store?

So then apparently all these people must have been really poor at what they did as well as they were bad spellers...
http://www.onlinecollegecourses.com/...couldnt-spell/
http://theweek.com/article/index/246...ad-at-spelling

Einstein was probably a terrible physicist, huh?

I assure you, there is no relevant statement that can me made between a single typo and a person's or business's overall quality or capabilities.

Bella · December 20, 2014, 10:13 AM

I try to not to patronize any anti gun business. That includes Hollywood.

Nathan · December 20, 2014, 10:34 AM

If the were serious about this, they would do an ad on TV, saying that all employees and customers are guaranteed disarmed. . . .over $500,000 in inventory every day. Average police response time to the alarm is 30 min. Criminals welcome!

As for Hollywood. . . .I'm thinking about giving to Kim Jong Un's reelection campaign!

Davey · December 20, 2014, 10:49 AM

Jared's Galleria has the same sign. Kay and Jared are the same company.

Here in Illinois the signage is standardized by the state police. Because of that the sign at Jared's entrance is completely meaningless.

I carried my .45 into Jared's just yesterday while shopping for my wife.

I giggled a little inside.

redhologram · December 20, 2014, 11:00 AM

My husband has been told many times, not to waste money on jewelry for me. Instead buy me more guns and vice versa.
I do my best not to give my business to any place that is not gun friendly. Is that always feasible? No. But I do it as much as possible.
Signage like the OP mentioned, makes me think pacify insurance company.

steve4102 · December 20, 2014, 11:43 AM

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onto this land, parking lot or premises.”

Can Key, ban firearms from it's parking lot?

g.willikers · December 20, 2014, 11:51 AM

People actually shop those places to buy jewelry at retail?
Unless they have an interesting sporting goods department, there wouldn't seem to be any reason to even go in the place.

BarryLee · December 20, 2014, 11:52 AM

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Can Key, ban firearms from it's parking lot?

Obviously it depends on local laws and if they can actually legally ban guns from their property. If they can ban guns from their property and if the parking lot is considered part of their owned or leased property than I assume they can.

Koda94 · December 20, 2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spacemanspiff

You could write a letter to the store addressed to its manager to inquire about the sign. That would be a better first step than to start a boycott.

I agree with this. A boycott would be ineffective if they didnt know why.

To encourage gun-rights community to send letters they would see how much buisness they are losing. There is also a small chance a CEO would see the logic behind creating a gun free zone.

http://www.kay.com/ContentView?catal...ay_contact_us# (there's an email link in the upper right corner)

Maybe copy the text from this card: http://snoballs.files.wordpress.com/...oney.gif?w=538

**Tom Servo** · December 20, 2014, 10:22 PM

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A boycott would be ineffective if they didnt know why.

To be honest, I've yet to see a gun-related boycott be effective at all.

candr44 · December 21, 2014, 01:17 PM

If I see one of these signs at a business, I just ignore it. Here in Florida its not the law only store policy. If I'm carrying concealed, they aren't going to know it and I'm not going to tell them. That way neither one of us has anything to complain about. If they do find out your carrying, all they can do is ask you to leave.
Having said that, I have never seen one of these signs except at a gun show and gun stores. Should I boycott gun shows and gun stores?

**4V50 Gary** · December 21, 2014, 02:14 PM

Don't buy jewelry from them then. BTW, I'd rather buy bullion.

horselips · December 21, 2014, 02:49 PM

Years ago I came to the political decision that my safety trumps anyone's property rights, and I don't want to hear your side of it. And so, except for airports, and government buildings, wherever I go, I carry. Everywhere, Every day. My EDC gun is a NAA Mini Revolver (.22WMR) so there is no chance of an unintended display, or even an accidental printing. I know it's not the best weapon, but it satisfies Rule #1 - Have a gun. Always. No exceptions, no excuses. The bigger, better gun you left at home for any reason whatsoever, might as well be on the moon if you need it.

If I had a dollar for every "No weapons" sign I ignored I'd be rich. Wouldn't it be interesting if every one of us did the same, and then took the time to call the business and anonymously inform them that we had carried on their premises, that they were in no danger from us, and that armed, law-abiding citizens are not the problem. A nationwide campaign to deluge businesses and offices with such calls might have the same effect as massive civil disobedience did in advancing women's and minority's rights, and defeating blue laws where they existed.

redrick · December 21, 2014, 03:00 PM

I bought my girlfriend a gift at Jared's a few years ago . I walked into the store and never noticed the sign out front . I was CCing my pistol at the time .

It just happened a few days latter and before I gave her the gift I saw a thread running about this .

I went back to the store with the gift to see if there was a sign posted locally here in my state . Sure enough there was .

I walked into the store and told them I wanted to return my purchase and why .

Technosavant · December 21, 2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

To be honest, I've yet to see a gun-related boycott be effective at all.

I've seen it on a more local level. A chain of auto dealerships and a regional grocery chain pulled their signs down a few years ago. They finally admitted that it wasn't worth losing the possibility of sales.

As for Kay, I prefer real jewelers to cookie cutter mall shops. Meh, I wasn't in their market segment anyway. Kisses may begin with "k" but my jewelry shopping starts elsewhere.

Koda94 · December 21, 2014, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

To be honest, I've yet to see a gun-related boycott be effective at all.

that we know of. I dont imagine it in the best interest for a corporation to issue a public statement to go ahead and bring your gun but rather to just follow local law. Those are wins IMO but we may never know what motivated that response. Recently in my city MDA petitioned the local Fred Meyers heavily to prohibit open carry and their response was to continue to follow local laws. I’m not certain if there was any counter campaign from the gun rights community but MDA had no effect on policy.

TXAZ · December 21, 2014, 10:39 PM

I have no problem with their sign. They asked me to stay out, ..... and I will, with my $'s.

FYI, in Texas, that sign is not legally enforceable for CHL holders:

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.06.00.html

olddav · December 21, 2014, 11:40 PM

I'm sure it's been said but that's why they call it concealed carry.

longspurr · December 22, 2014, 08:06 AM

There are alternatives to anti gun establishments.

When I bought my wifes wedding / engagement rings, the owner of the jewelry store showed me the basement of the building. He had collected a fair amount of Africa's big game and had it mounted. I'm talking museum quality full body mounts.

Did I mention he is a member of Safari Club?

Rather than think about boycotts, reach out and find gun club members with businesses.

December 19, 2014, 09:21 PM	#2
spacemanspiff Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 3,498	I would think that such signage is more to appease their insurance company rather than project their feelings about guns. Think about it. Their entire industry is a target for robbers. If the signs only have what you put in your post, theres nothing about being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law blah blah blah, then its not about the 2nd Amendment, its about insurance. Thats my opinion, not worth a whole heck of a lot these days. You could write a letter to the store addressed to its manager to inquire about the sign. That would be a better first step than to start a boycott. Where I am, most jewelry stores are in shopping malls, which may or may not post signage preventing carrying. Others are in actual stores, such as Fred Meyer Jewelers. I contemplated this earlier this week when I went to complete the anniversary gift I bought for my wife. I opted to go to Fred Meyer Jewelers instead of a place like Zales or Kay, even though both those are in shopping malls, cause I knew I wouldnt have to worry about leaving my gun in the truck at Fred Meyers. __________________ "Every man alone is sincere; at the entrance of a second person hypocrisy begins." - Ralph Waldo Emerson "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use." - Soren Kierkegaard

December 19, 2014, 10:36 PM	#3
doofus47 Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2010 Location: live in a in a house when i'm not in a tent Posts: 2,483	"parking lot"? whatever. I shop local anyhow. __________________ I'm right about the metric system 3/4 of the time.

December 20, 2014, 11:51 AM	#13
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	People actually shop those places to buy jewelry at retail? Unless they have an interesting sporting goods department, there wouldn't seem to be any reason to even go in the place. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

December 21, 2014, 01:17 PM	#17
candr44 Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2006 Posts: 481	If I see one of these signs at a business, I just ignore it. Here in Florida its not the law only store policy. If I'm carrying concealed, they aren't going to know it and I'm not going to tell them. That way neither one of us has anything to complain about. If they do find out your carrying, all they can do is ask you to leave. Having said that, I have never seen one of these signs except at a gun show and gun stores. Should I boycott gun shows and gun stores? Last edited by candr44; December 22, 2014 at 01:54 PM. Reason: Vanya didn't finish the editing job

December 21, 2014, 02:14 PM	#18
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,833	Don't buy jewelry from them then. BTW, I'd rather buy bullion. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 19, 2014, 09:01 PM	#1
Picher Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 3,694	Kay Jeweler's - Really? I was "greeted" by this sign on the door to Kay Jewelers recently: “No person shall carry, possess, have under the person’s control, convey or attempt to convey a firearm, concealed firearm, dangerous ordinance, handgun, or deadly weapon on or onto this land, parking lot or premises.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The legality of their sign seems somewhat grand as they are attempting to ban all weapons anywhere around the store, including what is a public parking area in front of many other stores which don’t display any similar signs. The fact that I had just left the shooting range with my target rifles in the truck really turned me off. I will never enter their store again. Hopefully, others who are sane will agree and will boycott the store.

December 19, 2014, 10:48 PM	#4
Kosh75287 Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 2007 Posts: 820	“No person shall carry, possess, have under the person’s control, convey or attempt to convey a firearm, concealed firearm, dangerous ordinance, handgun, or deadly weapon on or onto this land, parking lot or premises.” Prolly saved yourself some money, not doing business with 'em . If they can't spell ORDNANC*E correctly, what kinda jewelers can they be?

December 20, 2014, 09:18 AM	#6
Wishoot Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,093	Just another reason not to shop there. I can't stand their TV commercials either.

December 20, 2014, 10:13 AM	#8
Bella Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2009 Posts: 341	I try to not to patronize any anti gun business. That includes Hollywood.

December 20, 2014, 10:34 AM	#9
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,331	If the were serious about this, they would do an ad on TV, saying that all employees and customers are guaranteed disarmed. . . .over $500,000 in inventory every day. Average police response time to the alarm is 30 min. Criminals welcome! As for Hollywood. . . .I'm thinking about giving to Kim Jong Un's reelection campaign!

December 20, 2014, 10:49 AM	#10
Davey Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2010 Location: Not far enough from Chicago Posts: 394	Jared's Galleria has the same sign. Kay and Jared are the same company. Here in Illinois the signage is standardized by the state police. Because of that the sign at Jared's entrance is completely meaningless. I carried my .45 into Jared's just yesterday while shopping for my wife. I giggled a little inside.

December 20, 2014, 11:00 AM	#11
redhologram Senior Member Join Date: January 14, 2013 Posts: 352	My husband has been told many times, not to waste money on jewelry for me. Instead buy me more guns and vice versa. I do my best not to give my business to any place that is not gun friendly. Is that always feasible? No. But I do it as much as possible. Signage like the OP mentioned, makes me think pacify insurance company.

December 21, 2014, 02:49 PM	#19
horselips Senior Member Join Date: February 26, 2013 Posts: 159	Years ago I came to the political decision that my safety trumps anyone's property rights, and I don't want to hear your side of it. And so, except for airports, and government buildings, wherever I go, I carry. Everywhere, Every day. My EDC gun is a NAA Mini Revolver (.22WMR) so there is no chance of an unintended display, or even an accidental printing. I know it's not the best weapon, but it satisfies Rule #1 - Have a gun. Always. No exceptions, no excuses. The bigger, better gun you left at home for any reason whatsoever, might as well be on the moon if you need it. If I had a dollar for every "No weapons" sign I ignored I'd be rich. Wouldn't it be interesting if every one of us did the same, and then took the time to call the business and anonymously inform them that we had carried on their premises, that they were in no danger from us, and that armed, law-abiding citizens are not the problem. A nationwide campaign to deluge businesses and offices with such calls might have the same effect as massive civil disobedience did in advancing women's and minority's rights, and defeating blue laws where they existed.

December 21, 2014, 03:00 PM	#20
redrick Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,041	I bought my girlfriend a gift at Jared's a few years ago . I walked into the store and never noticed the sign out front . I was CCing my pistol at the time . It just happened a few days latter and before I gave her the gift I saw a thread running about this . I went back to the store with the gift to see if there was a sign posted locally here in my state . Sure enough there was . I walked into the store and told them I wanted to return my purchase and why .

December 21, 2014, 10:39 PM	#23
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	I have no problem with their sign. They asked me to stay out, ..... and I will, with my $'s. FYI, in Texas, that sign is not legally enforceable for CHL holders: http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.06.00.html __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

December 21, 2014, 11:40 PM	#24
olddav Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2008 Location: Lower Alabama Posts: 727	I'm sure it's been said but that's why they call it concealed carry. __________________ Never beat your head against the wall with out a helmet

December 22, 2014, 08:06 AM	#25
longspurr Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2002 Location: On the western shore Posts: 182	There are alternatives to anti gun establishments. When I bought my wifes wedding / engagement rings, the owner of the jewelry store showed me the basement of the building. He had collected a fair amount of Africa's big game and had it mounted. I'm talking museum quality full body mounts. Did I mention he is a member of Safari Club? Rather than think about boycotts, reach out and find gun club members with businesses.